reason 54: No need to buy my friends.
reason 62: No yearn to ookie on the cookie.
Yeah, so by paying more to live in the dorms, you didn't buy your friends either?
That happened to me as well when I told a frat guy that. Why do they always want to fight you because you have an opinion? Because we don't belong to their club?Quote:
One of my buddies told a frat guy that at a bar and the guy wanted to fight him.
I didn't join a fraternity because of the obligations. I am an independant person, and I don't want someone to tell me that I HAVE to be at a house meeting, HAVE to volunteer this weekend, HAVE to build a float, HAVE to do etc.... Don't get me wrong, I stay involved (president of my student organization) and busy (engineering student) but theres too much baggage for me to join a frat.
I dont know many people who actually think greek life has any value. I guess I didnt need to join a club to make friends or find good parties in college.
I just don't understand why people in the greek system get so defensive when people think it's pointless. I don't cry when a greek tells me that I have "lacking social skills" because I only live in a house of 4 people instead of 40.
BTW, are all the frats dry in Ames now? It sure was fun when they weren't! I remember when VEISHA was really VEISHA!
Officially speaking, of course no fraternities haze. Practically speaking, there's no hazing just like there's no drinking. (Actually, there's less drinking than hazing- at least most chapters go off their property to have parties.) While we're on the topic, I've always been amused by the strict unwritten rule that no greek member can ever wear their letters in or near a bar or house party. Cause you know, they don't drink. Ever.
Please don't accuse me of not knowing anything about the Greek system- through whatever stroke of fate, I have far more friends in the Greek system than out of it, so I am well-educated. Many of the guys I go to school with are members of one of two frats, and they all speak freely about the stuff that goes on. Funny? Yes, sometimes. Truthful? No way.
However, I personally think that the VEISHEA we have had the past two years is what VEISHEA should really be about. Iowa State University, and not the greek community. It's a family environment now, and seeing all of the little kids and alum and students together on campus that weekend is an amazing sight. I think that I would have enjoyed this type of VEISHEA exponentially more than the VEISHEA of old that my mom and cousins have told me about.
If your thinking fraternities are doing the likes of "ookie cookie", sleeping in the rain, random violence, then you are completely off base.
I'm also not talking about hazing that could result in injury or serious illness. But I *have* seen pledges forced to undergo activities that are anywhere from highly embarrassing in front of large crowds all the way to moderately painful. Nothing lasting (probably), but still.
An example: one fraternity that a few friends of mine are members of required all their pledges to wear a full-bore Western/cowboy ensemble for a school day, but all the clothing except boots and hat had to be worn inside-out and backwards. An older frat member would meet with them before every class to make sure the pledge was still doing as he was told. If the pledge did not have class during an hour, he was required to spend it walking around campus, or in the Union or library, taking pictures with faculty/staff of the building (a minimum of 1 picture per 15 minutes out of class).
Another fraternity had its members standing outside, spaced 20-40 feet apart on the north side of Lincoln Way, from near old RCA all the way past the Union. They all wore suit coats and nice button shirts, and athletic shorts. (This was a Saturday in late October.) They had to stand there for essentially the entire day (10am until at least 5pm) without moving or speaking. I remember this because I saw them from the bus as I was on my way to warm-up before the football game. They were still there when I walked back to Friley after the game, nearly 6 hours later. (A friend whose Buchanan window overlooked Lincoln Way said that of the pledges that he could see, none of them left their spots that whole time.) As I walked back, I asked the one who was standing on the corner of Union Drive and Lincoln why they were standing there. He politely replied with, "Shut the f*** up and don't worry about it, a**. This is more important than anything you'll do this year." How he said that with a straight face still mystifies me... I found out later that week that it was indeed an "activity" by one of the fraternities.
I don't know about you, but I'd sure call both of those instances 'hazing'.
ive met about 5 cool frat guys in all of the 4+ years I've lived on campus...the other 99% I've met are complete dbags. You can say whatever you want about brotherhood and grooming gentlemen, but in the end, frat guys are usually dbags to those not associated with the greek community.
Ya, but those frat guys get all the hot sorority chicks. Plus all of the cool hazing.