Better defense: NU in 2009 or IU in 2010?

[ca4cy]

You do know that Nebraska had a LB and SS drafted, don't you? Asante and Akumara were first team DBs. Asante was drafted, and Akumara was a Jr.

DL-Crick and Suh are better than AC and Ballard respectively. Allen and Turner much better than Klug and Binns.
LB-I give the nod to Iowa because they had two NFLers. For Nebraska, Dillard was drafted but a guy like Hagg is phenomenal. Kinda a hybrid player like Benton. He won't get LB awards or CB awards because he is neither. He will be a NFL safety.
DBs- I give to Nebraska. As a group. ASante is in the NFL, Akamura All big 12 first team, Gomes Big 12 Def newcomer of the year HM, Ohnalon honorable mention Big 12. Hagg honrable mention Big 12.

I can't believe this is even being discussed. There isn't one fact that you can point to that says Iowa had a better defense. Not results against common opponents, not defensive rankings. Not defensive statistics, not scoring defense. NOTHING!

Although you go to the NFL draft. Which of course only accounts for guys that were drafted. Not the underclassmen, or the players not drafted.

Anyone and everyone outside of iowa city, knows the answer to who had the better defense last year.

BTW- Aren't you the one that admitted not knowing about Nebraska's other three DL? Seriously, you have never heard of Jared Crick? If so, I wonder just how much you know about Nebraska's defense at all. Hard to make a comparison based on not having the info.

You must have missed the memo. He's a Hawk fan. He doesn't need facts.

Great post btw.

[Krug]

You do know that Nebraska had a LB and SS drafted, don't you? Asante and Akumara were first team DBs. Asante was drafted, and Akumara was a Jr.

DL-Crick and Suh are better than AC and Ballard respectively. Allen and Turner much better than Klug and Binns.
LB-I give the nod to Iowa because they had two NFLers. For Nebraska, Dillard was drafted but a guy like Hagg is phenomenal. Kinda a hybrid player like Benton. He won't get LB awards or CB awards because he is neither. He will be a NFL safety.
DBs- I give to Nebraska. As a group. ASante is in the NFL, Akamura All big 12 first team, Gomes Big 12 Def newcomer of the year HM, Ohnalon honorable mention Big 12. Hagg honrable mention Big 12.

I can't believe this is even being discussed. There isn't one fact that you can point to that says Iowa had a better defense. Not results against common opponents, not defensive rankings. Not defensive statistics, not scoring defense. NOTHING!

Although you go to the NFL draft. Which of course only accounts for guys that were drafted. Not the underclassmen, or the players not drafted.

Anyone and everyone outside of iowa city, knows the answer to who had the better defense last year.

BTW- Aren't you the one that admitted not knowing about Nebraska's other three DL? Seriously, you have never heard of Jared Crick? If so, I wonder just how much you know about Nebraska's defense at all. Hard to make a comparison based on not having the info.

I can think of one. Wins baby. The only thing that really matters.

[tazclone]

You must have missed the memo. He's a Hawk fan. He doesn't need facts.

Great post btw.

I just love the " we are better because we had guys drafted,blah, blah." Nice argument except Nebraska had three guys drafted from their defense as well. They will probably have three more drafted this year that played in that same defense.

Typical hok logic. iowa was better because...well...um...they are iowa.

I honestly can't believe these guys haven't heard of Crick. I should believe it. I lived in big 10+2 country for 7 years and I know they don't have a clue about anything outside the big 10.

[tazclone]

Iowa's DLINE played like crap against ISU last year. I don't expect the same to happen. :(

Iowa defensive line gets down to business - Big Ten Blog - ESPN

Why not? iowa never plays their best when playing ISU. They always get better as the season goes on, except 2001. they don't care about the ISU game so why play hard? I fully expect iowa to come in unmotivated and lackluster. They don't care one bit about ISU.

[tazclone]

I can think of one. Wins baby. The only thing that really matters.

Catch up to the debate buddy. We weren't talking who had the better TEAM. We were talking DEFENSE. And everyone knows Nebraska's offense sucks worse than iowa's. I do realize reading comprehension is an issue with you though.

BTW- iowa would have had one more loss if they actually played a championship game.

[FarmClone]

Suh is better than Clayborn, but what about the other 3 guys on the line?

Without knowing much about Nebby's other 3...Ballard, Binns and Klug are pretty damn tough.

This right here says it all. You don't know who Jared Crick is? Sportingnews magazine said he is the best player in college football this year. Thank you for stating your incompetence so clearly. Typical Hok. All you know is that Neb had Suh and that's it.

As for whose was better it's clearly Nebraska but with that being said Who gives a ****?

[CycloneJames]

You guys haven't heard? Nebraska's defense is even better this year after losing the most dominant defensive player I can ever remember. I'll put my vote for NU 2010

[burky247]

I'm not sure how you are suppose to compare the '09 Nebby defense with the 2010 Iowa defense. Iowa has only played one game this year and that was without 3 starters.
As for last year, I felt that Iowa's defense was playing as good as anyone's at the end of the season. But when you look at the whole season, Nebraska definitely had the better defense.

[CycloneJames]

I'm not sure how you are suppose to compare the '09 Nebby defense with the 2010 Iowa defense. Iowa has only played one game this year and that was without 3 starters.
As for last year, I felt that Iowa's defense was playing as good as anyone's at the end of the season. But when you look at the whole season, Nebraska definitely had the better defense.

Plus they both played terrible opponents. We will know more about Iowa's defense after this weekend. And we won't know too much more about Nebraska's defense until they play Washington. You really can't take too much from games where the game is over at halftime.

[burky247]

Plus they both played terrible opponents. We will know more about Iowa's defense after this weekend. And we won't know too much more about Nebraska's defense until they play Washington. You really can't take too much from games where the game is over at halftime.

I agree.

[LoewDog]

Hard to make a comparison based on not having the info.

Suh is better than AC...fine, but they are both top 10 picks so the difference is not as large as you would like to make it out to be. Spivey is better than Asante...at least NFL scouts thought so (pick #66 to #160)...which obviously can vary a bit based on team need but almost 100 picks would suggest a difference in perceived ability.

This year two players from last year's teams made Pre-Season All-American lists...Crick and Sash.

Then there is a whole list of honorable mentions for both conferences...who cares. Ohnalon was...so was Greenwood. Hagg was...so was Klug.

Add in Angerer who was taken in the 2nd round, while Dillard (115) and Edds (119) cancel each other out in the 4th.

Also Iowa's schedule included BCS final poll ranked: #8 OSU, #9 GT, #13 PSU, #20 AZ and #25 Wisconsin.

Nebraska's 2009 included: #11 VT and #20 AZ.

Softer schedule = better defensive statistics...or do we not want to consider that?

I'm not saying Nebraska's defense was bad...I'm just saying I like Iowa's better. Conversely, you seem to think that Iowa's defense does not even deserve to be in the conversation. So, you either don't know as much as you think you do or you dislike Iowa more than Nebraska (my guess is the later).

[cayin]

Not even close, NU. Texas couldn't freaking move the ball on them and Texas could move it on anyone. NU also dominated Arizona, they shut them out, Iowa didn't. Plus, just a visual observation from from watching last year, the NU defense just seemed faster, more physical and athletic. Iowa has good coaching and a good scheme.

[cayin]

Suh is better than AC...fine, but they are both top 10 picks so the difference is not as large as you would like to make it out to be. Spivey is better than Asante...at least NFL scouts thought so (pick #66 to #160)...which obviously can vary a bit based on team need but almost 100 picks would suggest a difference in perceived ability.

This year two players from last year's teams made Pre-Season All-American lists...Crick and Sash.

Then there is a whole list of honorable mentions for both conferences...who cares. Ohnalon was...so was Greenwood. Hagg was...so was Klug.

Add in Angerer who was taken in the 2nd round, while Dillard (115) and Edds (119) cancel each other out in the 4th.

Also Iowa's schedule included BCS final poll ranked: #8 OSU, #9 GT, #13 PSU, #20 AZ and #25 Wisconsin.

Nebraska's 2009 included: #11 VT and #20 AZ.

Softer schedule = better defensive statistics...or do we not want to consider that?

I'm not saying Nebraska's defense was bad...I'm just saying I like Iowa's better. Conversely, you seem to think that Iowa's defense does not even deserve to be in the conversation. So, you either don't know as much as you think you do or you dislike Iowa more than Nebraska (my guess is the later).

I see you left out Texas. Missouri also had a great O, especially before their qb went down with an injury.

[tazclone]

I'm not sure how you are suppose to compare the '09 Nebby defense with the 2010 Iowa defense. Iowa has only played one game this year and that was without 3 starters.
As for last year, I felt that Iowa's defense was playing as good as anyone's at the end of the season. But when you look at the whole season, Nebraska definitely had the better defense.

Agree that you can't compare this year's Iowa Defense to last years Nebbie. AS far as playing better at the end of the year...ugh. Your right. Nebraska played great all year and even at the end of the year they were better. Keep in mind they held the third ranked scoring offense to 12 points.

[LoewDog]

This right here says it all. You don't know who Jared Crick is? Sportingnews magazine said he is the best player in college football this year. Thank you for stating your incompetence so clearly. Typical Hok. All you know is that Neb had Suh and that's it.

As for whose was better it's clearly Nebraska but with that being said Who gives a ****?

If only I could be as smart as you farmclone...and as far as Crick goes I guess we will see. I know mock drafts are not perfect but you can find Crick anywhere from 2nd round to late first...exactly where you find Christian Ballard. Top 2 DTs pretty consistently are Marvin Austin (UNC) and JJ Watt (Wisconsin)...with Powe (Ole Miss) and Dareus ('Bama) in the next group with Crick and Ballard.

Not even considered the best at your position by most, yet best overall player in America...there is a reason why few think much of Sporting News.