Does Boise State Deserve Title Shot?

**alarson** · 09-09-2010, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by 06Panther

Yes they do deserve a title shot. They have done literally everything possible to earn their shot over the course of several years now, and they deserve the respect. How many more teams do they have to beat?

If the 'national championship' is only decided between the Big 10, SEC, Oklahoma, USC, and Texas, then it isn't a national title.

They play in an easy conference. There's no easy way of getting around that. But if theyre serious about a national championship, how about scheduling all 4 of your non conference against BCS teams? And stop whining when no one will schedule you when you demand a huge paycheck to come.

**AllN4Cy** · 09-09-2010, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by azn4cy

Ok, so followup question for everyone? How many teams right now would beat Boise on a neutral field?

That is tough to say. Virginia Tech nearly beat them at home. I personally don't think Virginia Tech is an elite team this year though. What really sucks is no one will ever know. I think any given week they could probably beat any team, but they could also be beaten by several teams too. While the BCS schools actually play those tough games throughout the year, Boise plays one and then lets the bigger schools beat on each other. Give them a full season of BCS schools to play and then let them in on the national title game. Until then, I just don't feel they've earned that chance. It's a crappy system for sure.

**Cyrocks** · 09-09-2010, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by 06Panther

Yes they do deserve a title shot. They have done literally everything possible to earn their shot over the course of several years now, and they deserve the respect. How many more teams do they have to beat?

If the 'national championship' is only decided between the Big 10, SEC, Oklahoma, USC, and Texas, then it isn't a national title.

This is exactly right...except....

I found it odd that you used Big 10 and SEC, but didn't use Big 12 and Pac 10. Does that mean you only think Texas and Oklahoma are the only ones who will ever represent the Big 12, and that USC are the only ones who will ever represent the Pac 10?

**cyfanatic** · 09-09-2010, 01:03 PM

My thought about it is that just because Boise State plays in a weaker conference does not mean they are not the best team in the nation. They might be! We would need a playoff to figure this out though! I hope they do win it so that it will either quiet their critics or make a strong case for a playoff system!

What I really hope is that Boise State gets the BCS-nod that so many teams think they deserve because they went 9-3 in a better conference!

**azn4cy** · 09-09-2010, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by AllN4Cy

That is tough to say. Virginia Tech nearly beat them at home. I personally don't think Virginia Tech is an elite team this year though. What really sucks is no one will ever know. I think any given week they could probably beat any team, but they could also be beaten by several teams too. While the BCS schools actually play those tough games throughout the year, Boise plays one and then lets the bigger schools beat on each other. Give them a full season of BCS schools to play and then let them in on the national title game. Until then, I just don't feel they've earned that chance. It's a crappy system for sure.

It's hard to say after games like this and bowl games. And honestly, VT should have beat them if not for some atrocious play calling/coaching at the end.

It's the same reason GT is bad in bowl games.. a month of prep and their offense is less effective. Boise has to plan big for 2 games a year, each of them gives them a month of prep.

I would put the number at 10-15 though.

**Clark** · 09-09-2010, 01:06 PM

For me it depends on how Va Tech and Oregon St do in the rest of their games. If they both win the respective conferences, Boise St deserves a shot. If neither wins more than 9 games, no they don't deserve a shot.

**cyclonedave25** · 09-09-2010, 01:07 PM

I don't think they should get a shot at the NC, even if they run the table. They do not play BCS caliber teams week in and out. They open the season with 1 or 2 and thats it. The rest of the season is against bad opponents. Boise St. could get a lot worse this year, yet still win out.
If they can't get into a BCS conference, go independent, and play 8 or so BCS teams/year.

**06Panther** · 09-09-2010, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by alarson

They play in an easy conference. There's no easy way of getting around that. But if theyre serious about a national championship, how about scheduling all 4 of your non conference against BCS teams? And stop whining when no one will schedule you when you demand a huge paycheck to come.

So what if they play in the WAC? As I said, they have earned the right to play for the title over the course of several years, by beating numerous BCS teams on the road and at nutural sites. Its not like we would be just giving a shot to a randam WAC team that ran thru the conference. Boise has earned this.

And as far as scheduling, are you expecting Boise to travel TO all these BCS schools and NOT recieve a big paycheck, when those same schools refuse to come play in Boise? Why in the world would they do that?

**06Panther** · 09-09-2010, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Cyrocks

This is exactly right...except....

I found it odd that you used Big 10 and SEC, but didn't use Big 12 and Pac 10. Does that mean you only think Texas and Oklahoma are the only ones who will ever represent the Big 12, and that USC are the only ones who will ever represent the Pac 10?

Yes. That is what I think.

**DaddyMac** · 09-09-2010, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Clark

For me it depends on how Va Tech and Oregon St do in the rest of their games. If they both win the respective conferences, Boise St deserves a shot. If neither wins more than 9 games, no they don't deserve a shot.

Agreed.

What gets me about the yearly arguement on Boise St is that everyone dismisses their schedules. Yet most of the top teams could have about the same thing said of them - that they only have to get up for a couple games - even in conference. And many of those teams play patsies non-con. I'm sure some will say that even the weak conference opponents for BCS conferences are stronger than what BSU plays - and you have a point. But they are still only typically challenged a handful of times.

And a better arguement - every year this is brought up and will keep them from getting a shot. So they get a bid to another BCS game - and win.

**cyclonedave25** · 09-09-2010, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by 06Panther

Yes. That is what I think.

So, Nebraska would never make the NC??
oh, wait...

**Omaha Cy** · 09-09-2010, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by AllN4Cy

Boise is an excellent program and could play with any team in the country, but until you actually play a schedule like Florida, Alabama, Ohio State, Iowa, Texas, etc. you won't have my vote (not that I have any say.

Texas? Texas and Boise are in similar positions. Boise's schedule basically has tough games against VT, OS, and a couple WAC opponents that will give them a tough game. So you're looking at 4-5 legit hurdles for Boise(who we know can play with anyone in the nation!).

Texas will have tough games with OU, NU, TTU and maybe OSU. 4 legit hurdles+ possible CCG. Texas has the firepower to blow out ISU, KSU, Baylor, maybe OSU...very similar to what Boise will do to some of its WAC opponents. When you look at it that way, the parallels are very similar to some of the BCS teams poised to make a title run.

The preseason rankings are a beauty contest, and Boise beating BCS schools left and right has them aboard the top rankings. They've built up their program to a the point its so far superior to the rest pf the WAC, but in doing so they've proved they can beat virtually any BCS program.

Let them in if they go 12-0!

**Cyrocks** · 09-09-2010, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by 06Panther

Yes. That is what I think.

Just had to yank your chain a bit. I wasn't serious.

Sounds like you are, though!

I might agree with you on Texas, but Oklahoma....I don't know.

And USC under Kiffen? I think the Trojans are on a downhill slide under that guy.

**jdoggivjc** · 09-09-2010, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by azn4cy

Ok, so followup question for everyone? How many teams right now would beat Boise on a neutral field?

I think after week 1 the field has been significantly narrowed. I mean, Boise St beating Virginia Tech in a virtual home game for VaTech is impressive. And the way Florida, Texas, and Oklahoma played against their opponents in week 1, if they came out and played like that against Boise St they'd get rung up.

I think there has to be a distinction between "would" and "could". I think just about any team in the top 25 COULD beat Boise St on a neutral field. But then again, over the last 5 years Boise St has proven time and again they WILL beat anyone in front of them on a neutral field.

I'd have to say right now the only two teams that WOULD beat Boise St on a neutral field would be Ohio St and Alabama (with a complete roster). At this point in time I'd have to put Florida, Texas, TCU, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Iowa, and everyone else in the COULD category.