WR speed

**larrysarmy** · 09-13-2010, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Covenant Clone

Because you can't continually change your offensive/philosophy to fit the personnel you have. You have to have a philosophy that you stick to and slowly recruit the players to fit that philosophy. That is exactly what Iowa has done over the years, they haven't made a knee jerk reaction or a change in philosophy, they just kept recruiting the players they wanted.

See Minnesota if you think trying to change to the players you have is a good idea...not so much.

This. Our guys were recruited over the course of 2 staffs with more of a run-first offense mentality. Never - ever was a spread, no-huddle offense envised for a guy like Jake Williams, Marquis Hamilton, AA, KO, etc. Which is why last years success was such an achievement.

Our guys now can be "serviceable" and can gain some good success in their current roles...but will never truely excell in the vision that Herman has for this offense.

Just takes time....

**volfaniniowa** · 09-13-2010, 10:02 PM

I apologize. I forgot to mention that was a 3A state final time. By my count, there are 5-7 Florida 2010 football signees who ran a faster time than JW ranging from 10.44 (Denard Robinson) to Mike Bellamy (10.66). In comparison, Jeff Demps ran a 9.96 100m earlier this year. Hard to find sub 4.5 football players who are willing to leave the state.

**Wesley** · 09-13-2010, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

If we had Iowa's receiving corps, our passing game would be more effective. I'm not sure if you could say the same for if we had Iowa's QB.

If so, they would also need a 40 inch vertical to bring the ball down.

**cyclonedave25** · 09-13-2010, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by volfaniniowa

I apologize. I forgot to mention that was a 3A state final time. By my count, there are 5-7 Florida 2010 football signees who ran a faster time than JW ranging from 10.44 (Denard Robinson) to Mike Bellamy (10.66). In comparison, Jeff Demps ran a 9.96 100m earlier this year. Hard to find sub 4.5 football players who are willing to leave the state.

Aww, now that makes more sense.

**Tre4ISU** · 09-13-2010, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by volfaniniowa

I apologize. I forgot to mention that was a 3A state final time. By my count, there are 5-7 Florida 2010 football signees who ran a faster time than JW ranging from 10.44 (Denard Robinson) to Mike Bellamy (10.66). In comparison, Jeff Demps ran a 9.96 100m earlier this year. Hard to find sub 4.5 football players who are willing to leave the state.

Not that it matters but DR was a 2009 guy.

**Tre4ISU** · 09-13-2010, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by larrysarmy

This. Our guys were recruited over the course of 2 staffs with more of a run-first offense mentality. Never - ever was a spread, no-huddle offense envised for a guy like Jake Williams, Marquis Hamilton, AA, KO, etc. Which is why last years success was such an achievement.

Our guys now can be "serviceable" and can gain some good success in their current roles...but will never truely excell in the vision that Herman has for this offense.

Just takes time....

I agree. Look at RichRod for example. The jury is out on this year but for at least the first year it was evident that they didn't have the personnel to be successful in his system. However, if you don't implement what you know then you fail doing that and you have to reteach everything to some of the same guys. You implement your system and then get your guys. I have said this numerous times. It will take at least 6 years for us to consistently compete with top 25 teams. It will take three years for success to influence recruiting and even then we will be getting guys that need 2-3 years of development before they are ready. That's how it is. Michigan or Alabama is different. They have the name and prestige. Even though they were bad at one point, they can still go get some guys that are ready right away.

**volfaniniowa** · 09-13-2010, 10:13 PM

Thanks for correcting me.

**benjay** · 09-13-2010, 10:25 PM

10.7 is not all that fast. 10.3 is fast.

**volfaniniowa** · 09-13-2010, 10:27 PM

is 4.3 40m fast?

**cyclonedave25** · 09-13-2010, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by volfaniniowa

is 4.3 40m fast?

FAT? Yes, extremely fast. A lot of college players in the combine struggle to hit 4.3.
If it's hand timed, then its about a 4.54 converted to FAT.

**TheCity** · 09-13-2010, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by The_Architect

CPR said tonight on the call-in show that with the exception of "maybe Josh Lenz" he doesn't have any 4.5 (in the 40) receivers and most are 4.6 - 4.8 and that's the main issue with the lack of separation because according to him they are running great routes.

While I never had any disillusion of grandeur , I was shocked to hear that from coach.

No pun intended but I'd put Money on this!

**cyclonedave25** · 09-13-2010, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by TheCity

No pun intended but I'd put Money on this!

What's Money's 40 time? I'm too lazy to look for it.

**Tre4ISU** · 09-13-2010, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by TheCity

No pun intended but I'd put Money on this!

Yeah, I think I would too unless PR is speaking in terms of padded times. That changes things.

**herbicide** · 09-13-2010, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by volfaniniowa

is 4.3 40m fast?

A legit time (not an inflated time...) that is Deion Sanders fast. A receiver that can truly run a 4.3 would be the most sought after recruit, assuming he could catch the ball and run a route...

**TheCity** · 09-13-2010, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonedave25

What's Money's 40 time? I'm too lazy to look for it.

I would say he's nothing less than 4.5, however I'm very skeptical of what the ISU coaches say about speed. I remember when Money 1st arrived last year and was told that LJ was faster than him and then I saw a practice video where Money left him standing almost flat footed. I don't doubt Lenz is speedy, but I wouldn't discredit our other guys!!