Harlan H.S. Kicker

**clone26** · 09-18-2010, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Tedcyclone

Harlan always has a good kicker... Billy Cundiff went to drake and should have been at Iowa or ISU... Current kicker does have a great leg. Tailback is a beast as well.

Billy wanted to place basketball and football...Drake was one of the few that allowed him to do so.

**SPOONER** · 09-18-2010, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by RING4CY

And...? While high school kickers are allowed to use a two inch block, college kickers are allowed to use a one inch block.

? Do you not watch much football? They did away with that rule many years ago.

**clone26** · 09-18-2010, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by theshadow

Place Kick
ARTICLE 4.
a. A field goal place kick is a kick by a player of the team in possession while the ball is controlled on the ground by a teammate.
b. A free kick place kick is a kick by a player of the team in possession while the ball is positioned on a tee or the ground. It may be controlled by a teammate. The ball may be positioned on the ground and contacting the tee.
c. A tee is a device that elevates the ball for kicking purposes. It may not elevate the ball’s lowest point more than one inch above the ground (A.R. 2-15-4-I).

You're right. I was looking at C which is in regard to kickoffs.

**RING4CY** · 09-18-2010, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by SPOONER

? Do you not watch much football? They did away with that rule many years ago.

Not only do I watch LOTS of football, I watch kickers and punters more than anything.

Originally Posted by clone26

You're right. I was looking at C which is in regard to kickoffs.

Article 4 is regarding to place kicks and place kicks only. Does not mention kickoffs. Article 6 regards kickoffs (page 54 of 273 in pdf file of college football rule book.)

Place Kick
ARTICLE 4. a. A field goal place kick is a kick by a player of the team in
possession while the ball is controlled on the ground by a teammate.
b. A free kick place kick is a kick by a player of the team in possession
while the ball is positioned on a tee or the ground. It may be controlled
by a teammate. The ball may be positioned on the ground and contacting
the tee.
c. A tee is a device that elevates the ball for kicking purposes. It may not
elevate the ball’s lowest point more than one inch above the ground
(A.R. 2-15-4-I).

Kickoff
ARTICLE 6. A kickoff is a free kick that starts each half and follows each
try or field goal (Exception: Extra periods). It must be a place kick or a
drop kick.

This is a two-inch kicking block/tee used in high school:

One-inch kicking block/tee used in college:

**theshadow** · 09-18-2010, 08:05 PM

I stated that HS kickers get the advantage of using a tee on FG, while college players do not.

You disagreed, claiming that college kickers get to use a 1" block for FG.

Now, you've defeated your own argument by re-posting article 4. We're talking about field goals. Look at A, not B or C.

**Cybyassociation** · 09-18-2010, 08:07 PM

Thats used during place kicks isnt it? Like when Janikowski (I think it was) tried the place kick from 70+? You can do this when you fair catch a punt then kick it on first down I believe. There is no tees for fg's or PATs.

**theshadow** · 09-18-2010, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Cybyassociation

Thats used during place kicks isnt it? Like when Janikowski (I think it was) tried the place kick from 70+? You can do this when you fair catch a punt then kick it on first down I believe. There is no tees for fg's or PATs.

That's a free kick (different than a scrimmage kick), and that rule exists in HS and NFL but not college.

**RING4CY** · 09-18-2010, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Cybyassociation

Thats used during place kicks isnt it? Like when Janikowski (I think it was) tried the place kick from 70+? You can do this when you fair catch a punt then kick it on first down I believe. There is no tees for fg's or PATs.

Tees are not allowed in the NFL for FGs and PATs.
One inch tees in college.
Two inch tees in high schools.

**RING4CY** · 09-18-2010, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by theshadow

Now, you've defeated your own argument by re-posting article 4. We're talking about field goals. Look at A, not B or C.

Originally Posted by theshadow

That's a free kick (different than a scrimmage kick), and that rule exists in HS and NFL but not college.

Correct, there are no free kicks in college. But then, what is part b of article 4 pertaining to?

b. A free kick place kick is a kick by a player of the team in possession
while the ball is positioned on a tee or the ground.It may be controlled
by a teammate. The ball may be positioned on the ground and contacting
the tee.

**theshadow** · 09-18-2010, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by RING4CY

Correct, there are no free kicks in college. But then, what is part b of article 4 pertaining to?

b. A free kick place kick is a kick by a player of the team in possession
while the ball is positioned on a tee or the ground.It may be controlled
by a teammate. The ball may be positioned on the ground and contacting
the tee.

In this case, a kickoff.

A kickoff is a free kick, and must be a place kick or drop kick.
A free kick after a safety may be a punt, place kick or drop kick.

**RING4CY** · 09-18-2010, 08:30 PM

The word "kickoff" is nowhere mentioned in Article 4!

**theshadow** · 09-18-2010, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by RING4CY

The word "kickoff" is nowhere mentioned in Article 4!

The only ways to have a "free kick place kick" are on a standard kickoff or the kick following a safety.

**RING4CY** · 09-19-2010, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by theshadow

The only ways to have a "free kick place kick" are on a standard kickoff or the kick following a safety.

Again, the definition of a kickoff is defined in article 6.

I've worked with college kickers at camps in one form another for 10 years now. I know I'm right and know for a fact that a college kicker can use a one-inch tee on PATs and FGs.

**theshadow** · 09-19-2010, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by RING4CY

I've worked with college kickers at camps in one form another for 10 years now. I know I'm right and know for a fact that a college kicker can use a one-inch tee on PATs and FGs.

You've already been proved wrong. How many times do I have re-post that part of the rule book?

a. A field goal place kick is a kick by a player of the team in possession while the ball is controlled on the ground by a teammate.

No mention of a tee whatsoever! If they all can use it, why does NO COLLEGE KICKER take advantage of it in a game? Why do all college kickers use that tripod during warm-ups instead of a tee?

From the NCAA Record Book:
1989 -- Kicking tees eliminated for field goals and extra-point attempts.

**RING4CY** · 09-19-2010, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by theshadow

You've already been proved wrong. How many times do I have re-post that part of the rule book?

a. A field goal place kick is a kick by a player of the team in possession while the ball is controlled on the ground by a teammate.

No mention of a tee whatsoever! If they all can use it, why does NO COLLEGE KICKER take advantage of it in a game? Why do all college kickers use that tripod during warm-ups instead of a tee?

Because this is what is used on PATs and FGs

A one-inch tee also known as a "block" will not hold a football by itself. Thus why they use a "tripod" in warmups. The tripod replaces the holder. We're not talking about an actually kickoff tee (below) being used on PAT's and FG's.