Schedule

[UNIGuy4Cy]

That really was one of the weakest schedules in recent history! I would go as far as to say... I'll bet Chiz would have done just as good with that schedule. Especially if Neb turned it over that many times again. Sorry to say it but it is true. I believe the highest ranked team we beat last year, outside of nebraska giving us one... Was..... Army! The whole CPR took a team that had 5 wins the previous 2 year to 7 wins is a complete mirage thanks to that schedule.

I do have to say that I am not against CPR by any means. It just amazes me that people still think that last year was some sort of miracle and our savior is here. People are propping CPR up so much, it is absolutely crazy. The bowl win was great, but really... MN did not want to be there at all. Just go back and read the threads from last year. That really was our superbowl because we do not get to go to bowls very often.

Sorry but this year is going to be a harsh dose of reality. There are not 5 games against teams rated in the bottom 40 of all of college football this year.

Totally disagree, cupcake wins are the wins that build programs. Also go back and look at those results again. We shoulda beat KU, KSU, and had a good shot to beat Mizzou. Also the Chiz had that same schedule two years in a row, how did he do?

[Sandman]

That really was one of the weakest schedules in recent history! I would go as far as to say... I'll bet Chiz would have done just as good with that schedule. Especially if Neb turned it over that many times again. Sorry to say it but it is true. I believe the highest ranked team we beat last year, outside of nebraska giving us one... Was..... Army! The whole CPR took a team that had 5 wins the previous 2 year to 7 wins is a complete mirage thanks to that schedule.

I do have to say that I am not against CPR by any means. It just amazes me that people still think that last year was some sort of miracle and our savior is here. People are propping CPR up so much, it is absolutely crazy. The bowl win was great, but really... MN did not want to be there at all. Just go back and read the threads from last year. That really was our superbowl because we do not get to go to bowls very often.

Sorry but this year is going to be a harsh dose of reality. There are not 5 games against teams rated in the bottom 40 of all of college football this year.

That's really beside the point. No one knows, remembers, or cares how weak the schedule was. Paul Rhoads gained national prominence for taking a 2 win ISU team and turning them into a 7 win ISU team. He also gained the unfaltering trust of every Cyclone fan. If I had the choice between going 4-8 playing powerhouses or 8-4 playing last year's schedule...I think the choice is easy.

[CRAZYGREG]

Totally disagree, cupcake wins are the wins that build programs. Also go back and look at those results again. We shoulda beat KU, KSU, and had a good shot to beat Mizzou. Also the Chiz had that same schedule two years in a row, how did he do?

He only had the same schedule ONCE, his last year and it was NOT the same.

2008/2009
SDSU = NDSU
Kent St. = Kent St.
UNLV > Army
Baylor(on road) > Baylor(at home)
Colorado(on road) > Colorado(at home)

Nebraska gave us #6.

Just look at those schedules.... CPR had it super easy, schedule wise. Every single win was MUCH more easily accomplished than in 2008.

[dualthreat]

even teams like florida, texas and nebraska schedule cupcakes. Then theres teams like iowa state and minnesota who try and muster their worthy by trying to beat USC, Cal... Utah, Iowa...

lets stick to the MAC WAC and Missouri Valley when were scheduling out of conference.

[theshadow]

Nebraska gave us #6.

Stop perpetuating the Husker beliefs. Only one of their turnovers was unforced.

[CRAZYGREG]

That's really beside the point. No one knows, remembers, or cares how weak the schedule was. Paul Rhoads gained national prominence for taking a 2 win ISU team and turning them into a 7 win ISU team. He also gained the unfaltering trust of every Cyclone fan. If I had the choice between going 4-8 playing powerhouses or 8-4 playing last year's schedule...I think the choice is easy.

It is an easy choice and that is what is wrong with the whole BCS/bowl system. But that is another discussion. Also, this games are scheduled so far in advance that is hard to tell what programs would be good/bad in 7 years. The only thing that we did this year was bring in Utah instead of another MAC team. That is the ONLY change. I have to applaud them on that one. It just is not that fun to go to JT and watch ISU pummel Kent State and then turn around and lose 56-3 to Texas. At least give the fans a chance at an upset.

[aeroclone]

That's cute.

So I guess you would argue that the best way to get the talent we need to improve is to show recruits what good martyrs we are getting our brains bashed in with our toughest schedule in the BCS.

I'd just prefer to show them a winning program and let them see us beating up on some teams. It isn't like we are ever going to have a soft schedule.

2-1 would look better to them than 1-2 right now. Then who knows 2-0 might have led to 3-0 which would feel really good. One truth I know is that winning breeds more winning. The opposite is also true.

Exactly. What is easier to sell a recruit on: Come here and play 5 top ten teams every year. We will beat one of those teams once every 30 years, but while you are here we will likely go 3-9 and lose several games by 20+ poins... or we are a team that goes to a bowl game each and every year. We are likely to have a winning season every year that you are on campus, and you will still get regular shots at the big boys like OU and UT. Hmm, let me think.

This also fixes some of the other pet peeves that we have on these boards like, why don't our fans get into the games more, why don't we have the end zone done yet, why do people leave early or just stay in the lots and tailgate. Winning fixes all of this. We are a team and a fanbase that needs to learn to win. We need to get used to it. I hate to say it, but at no point in that KSU game did I really feel like we were going to grab that game and win it because that is what I am used to. Getting kicked around by Iowa and Utah out of conference isn't going to help that.

If we expect to win, fans will hopefully get in their seats and stay there. Bandwagon fans may climb on, and maybe we can justify expanding JTS. I can say for certain, however, that 3 or 4 win seasons against the toughest schedule in the nation won't get us there.

At the end of the year, it doesn't matter who you play. Nobody remembers. It may matter when you start splitting hairs in the BCS, see Boise State. However, when this ISU program gets to the point where playing Southeast Tennessee Tech in September is the difference between a Fiesta Bowl and a shot at the title, we can come back and have this conversation. I will welcome that problem. For now, we aren't even close to needing to worry about that.

[aeroclone]

It is an easy choice and that is what is wrong with the whole BCS/bowl system. But that is another discussion. Also, this games are scheduled so far in advance that is hard to tell what programs would be good/bad in 7 years. The only thing that we did this year was bring in Utah instead of another MAC team. That is the ONLY change. I have to applaud them on that one. It just is not that fun to go to JT and watch ISU pummel Kent State and then turn around and lose 56-3 to Texas. At least give the fans a chance at an upset.

I look forward to seeing you on here in three weeks telling me how much fun you had at the Utah game after we lose by 4 TD's. Or while you are freezing your *** off in Iowa in December while teams like KSU or Mizzou are off in Texas or Arizona still playing football.

[UNIGuy4Cy]

He only had the same schedule ONCE, his last year and it was NOT the same.

2008/2009
SDSU = NDSU
Kent St. = Kent St.
UNLV > Army
Baylor(on road) > Baylor(at home)
Colorado(on road) > Colorado(at home)

Nebraska gave us #6.

Just look at those schedules.... CPR had it super easy, schedule wise. Every single win was MUCH more easily accomplished than in 2008.

Dude, Baylor is still Baylor and CU I dont even want to talk about, but the Chiz couldnt beat either and got DESTROYED by NU.

[CRAZYGREG]

Dude, Baylor is still Baylor and CU I dont even want to talk about, but the Chiz couldnt beat either and got DESTROYED by NU.

2008 Baylor was pretty decent with Robert Griffin. Also.. what is our record in Boulder??? Also, Chiz did not have NU give him 8 turnovers.

[CRAZYGREG]

Dude, Baylor is still Baylor and CU I dont even want to talk about, but the Chiz couldnt beat either and got DESTROYED by NU.

2008 Baylor was pretty decent with Robert Griffin. Also.. what is our record in Boulder??? Also, Chiz did not have NU give him 8 turnovers.

Also, I am not defending Chiz here. Just making a point about the schedule.

[ChiefCy]

[QUOTE=justcynn;1904492]Snyder learned it from Hayden -

Although it was before there were many bowls, Earle Bruce did it. Easy NC and back then Kansas & K-state were not good. Trouble was ISU was pretty good and one year only losses were to #1 #2 &#3 teams but no bowl.

[StPaulCyclone]

Ok, question here. Say we go 5-7 this year with losses to Utah and Iowa... pretty likely to happen. Would you rather have 2 more wins by playing a lesser opponent and make a bowl game? I sure would, Insight Bowl may be one of the best vacations I have ever taken... Traveling with die-hard Cyclones to a bowl location over New Years beats going to Iowa City or playing Utah. Bowl games give me one more chance to be with Cyclone Nation, and bowl games excite the fanbase more than getting blown out by Utah and Iowa.

I couldn't agree more. Snyder started winning games in non-conference and that started leading to better players that led to more and better conference wins. Add this to the fact that we are going to a round-robin in FB and we need winnable games in the non-conference...not Top 10 and Top 20 teams. I want my cupcake and eat it too!

[StPaulCyclone]

It is an easy choice and that is what is wrong with the whole BCS/bowl system. But that is another discussion. Also, this games are scheduled so far in advance that is hard to tell what programs would be good/bad in 7 years. The only thing that we did this year was bring in Utah instead of another MAC team. That is the ONLY change. I have to applaud them on that one. It just is not that fun to go to JT and watch ISU pummel Kent State and then turn around and lose 56-3 to Texas. At least give the fans a chance at an upset.

I would much rather treat non-conference like tune up for *9* conference games. I would rather get my upsets in conference or a bowl. I would rather not have Utah in non-conference, but meet them (or some other decent team) in a bowl in a warm weather spot.

[HititHard]

Although it was before there were many bowls, Earle Bruce did it. Easy NC and back then Kansas & K-state were not good. Trouble was ISU was pretty good and one year only losses were to #1 #2 &#3 teams but no bowl.

Didn't we end up ranked in the top 20 that year even though there was no bowl game?

Bruce had three 8 win seasons and 2 bowl games if my memory serves.