I stand corrected

**Al_4_State** · 09-26-2010, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by dualthreat

our QB play is the worst element of this team

Our penalties in the red zone are a bigger problem than QB play.

**tazclone** · 09-26-2010, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by dualthreat

our QB play is the worst element of this team

Disagree. Our run game has been disappointing compared to last year as well. What has changed? We still have the same inept passing game and defenses are still keying on the run. What has changed? One could argue that we have faced tougher teams but iowa and KSU are the same teams and UNI and NIU = Army and Kent St.

Our personnel changes on offense include one NFL lineman and another that had NFL potential. We also lost a WR that is on an NFL practice squad. Nothing else has changed. More penalties, less scoring.

**rebecacy** · 09-26-2010, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by tazclone

Disagree. Our run game has been disappointing compared to last year as well. What has changed? We still have the same inept passing game and defenses are still keying on the run. What has changed? One could argue that we have faced tougher teams but iowa and KSU are the same teams and UNI and NIU = Army and Kent St.

Our personnel changes on offense include one NFL lineman and another that had NFL potential. We also lost a WR that is on an NFL practice squad. Nothing else has changed. More penalties, less scoring.

It's a leadership problem. That usually comes from the QB.

**Stormin** · 09-26-2010, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by rebecacy

It's a leadership problem. That usually comes from the QB.

It is a combination of MANY problems. The OL play has sucked. HOW many times have we had Illegal Procedures and Holds that have absolutely killed drives?

Then add in the fact that the WR's have rarely gotten great separation. Next add in erratic passing by our QB.

What you get is inconsistent offensive output. And that is EXACTLY what we have. At times we move the ball. And then comes the penalty or the errant pass, or the dropped pass or the coverage sack. The offense has not been clicking.

The defense is once again the brightest spot on the team.

**Bigguns** · 09-26-2010, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by rebecacy

It's a leadership problem. That usually comes from the QB.

I disagree, that usually comes from the coaches. I don't think it is a leadership problem, I think it is a focus problem or just a lack of identity problem. The coaches need to emphasize what we are good at and build on that.

**jdoggivjc** · 09-26-2010, 04:16 PM

I think far too many people have the "we just HAVE to blame ONE player/person" mentality. The problem is our offensive woes are deeper than just any one person. Some people just want to blame the QB. While both of them certainly have accuracy and "locking on" issues, our WRs tend not to get open for the QBs, and if they do they drop the pass when thrown to them. Other people want to blame the coaching staff for bad play calling. Perhaps coaching is part of the problem, but how are they supposed to open the playbook when the players have shown incapable of running what they already have? And it's FAR too soon to begin ripping this staff for bad recruiting the vast majority of the players playing right now are McCarney's or Chizik's. Rhoads only has one full recruiting class to his credit - not nearly enougj time to judge, nor nearly enough time to have enough time to have the players in place to fully implement the desired system. Perhaps Herrman is a bum - but it's impossible to judge that when he can't call the plays he wants to when our offense is incapable of running even the most basic plays.

Still others ask what's wrong with the running game. Well, how is the offense supposed to effectively run the ball when the defense can stack the box and dare us to beat them by throwing, something so far we've shown to be incapable to doing?

See, here's the thing - we got spoiled last year with the 7-6 record and bowl win. It gave us the impression that we're further along as a program than we really are. Our problems on offense are much deeper than one individual, yet certain people want to take the chicken **** way out and blame everything on just one player, whether the QB or the coach. Our issues are much deeper than just one player - it's the ENTIRE offense, and those issues won't be fixed by trying a different QB every week.

**HerkyKiller** · 09-26-2010, 05:46 PM

Our offence sucks, but I say that our quaterback sucks for a reason. Because he isnt a good quarterback. Not because I'm "blaming it all on one guy".

**Al_4_State** · 09-26-2010, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by HerkyKiller

Our offence sucks, but I say that our quaterback sucks for a reason. Because he isnt a good quarterback. Not because I'm "blaming it all on one guy".

But you dwell on it when our quarterbacks have been no worse than any other unit, except maybe running back. It reveals either A) a blind personal hatred for Arnaud that isn't really based off of anything or B) a poor understanding of the game.

**dualthreat** · 09-26-2010, 07:51 PM

i see glaring obvious mistakes from arnaud and tiller. The offensive line does not make every block, the WRs do not catch every single pass... But Arnaud's mistakes are in the forefront. He is a Senior and is expected to make some marginally difficult passes, and routinely does not.

He had a great offensive line last year and still played poorly. When was the last time we won a game because arnaud threw for 300 yards and 3 TDs? This is a spread offense... so if herman had it his way, arnaud would throw for 500 yards and 5 TDs, so asking for 3 and 3 isn't that lofty.

**dualthreat** · 09-26-2010, 07:53 PM

You know how everyone can say arnaud is a problem? It doesn't have to be an every down basis. What about all the times that arnaud DOES have time to throw.. AND his receiver is clearly open... and he still misses!

**Carr50010** · 09-26-2010, 08:32 PM

Here is what I saw,

JT was getting Blitzed and he was having trouble.
The offense routinely had penalties.
JT was lucky he did not have inceptions. Eratic decisions that did not look safe.
JT did not run as much as I expected, CPR likely does not have a back up if
JT gets hurt.
Overall he did rate a C+ and will likely get better.

**Al_4_State** · 09-26-2010, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by dualthreat

You know how everyone can say arnaud is a problem? It doesn't have to be an every down basis. What about all the times that arnaud DOES have time to throw.. AND his receiver is clearly open... and he still misses!

This doesn't happen near as much as advertised. End of the KSU game when he was throwing with a separated shoulder is the glaring example.

You can pull the senior card, but we got seniors on that o-line. We have seniors at WR and RB, too.

Again, it's the whole offense. The focus on Arnaud is just misplaced rage. Arnaud has not played well, but he's been no worse than any other unit. No better, but no worse. If our O-line wasn't getting penalized 15 yards every time we go into the red zone, we aren't having this conversation.

**synapticwave** · 09-26-2010, 10:21 PM

The problem is the coaches. Bliel, Herman and Wells. If players are making the same mistakes over and over again then they are not being taught how to do it right. We have seen the same mistakes the entire season and nothing is getting better. Penalties and missed blocks by the OLine, poor reads and bad throws by the QBs and poor routes and drops from the WRs. Bliel, Herman and Wells are responsible for fixing these things and they are not fixing them. If the players can't adjust to the methods and mechanics that the coaches want, then the coaches need to change their strategy to fit with what the players can do.

**Frak** · 09-26-2010, 10:38 PM

The only things that this game showed me offensively is that 1.The OL is not very good and 2.Tiller is not our QB next year.

**tazclone** · 09-27-2010, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by rebecacy

It's a leadership problem. That usually comes from the QB.

Could be a leadership problem but the QB that won us a bowl game last year is still here. We could run the ball very well last year and we didn't have the penalties we have this year.

I am guessing the loss of Stephens, Haughton, and Hamilton hurt more than we know. Also, have we gone downfield once this year? I know we didn't do it a ton last year but have we even done it once?