The issue is the line play on both sides of the ball.
The issue is the line play on both sides of the ball.
It isn't the number of penalties, it's the timing. While I agree that this runs deeper than just penalties, the penalties aresoming at terrible times. We aren't getting false starts on 2nd and 1. We aren't getting holding calls on returns. We are getting penaties on third downs and on 1st downs when we are close to or in the red zone. Penaties cannot be explained by just the number of them. If you get a hold or illegal block on a return it just makes the field longer, it has no affect on down and distance. Part of the reason penalties kill us is because our offense is not good enough to overcome them. So I guess I agree and disagree.
Penalties are not THE problem, but they definitely are a problem. As other posters have said, Our offense is what it is. We aren't going to be breaking any yardage or scoring records this year. Which is even more the case why we can't afford dumb penalties, especially in the red zone. Turnovers are another problem as well. I really don't think that many people think if we get rid of the penalties we are scoring 38 points a game. I think most probably think like me. Eliminate the penalties and it gives us a good shot at one or two more touchdowns a game. It keeps our D off the field for a few more minutes. And at the end of it all, gives us a better shot at winning a game.
There are more than one issue with this Offense. But to me, this seems like the most easily fixed item on there. On this note though, has anyone else seem to find we are getting a really high rate of Offensive pass interference and or receiver holding calls compared to other teams? I've watched a lot of college football, and granted, I'm a huge homer, but it seems like other teams get away with a lot more. Maybe the refs are making up for the Todd Blythe years. Who knows, but it seems like we get called for some pretty ticky tacky stuff some times. (I'm not trying to cry Woe Is ISU on this.) I'm really asking this question. I just don't see the reason why we get called for stuff that others get away with regularly.
Sorry, double post.
If the penalties quit, we'd score more points. Period.
With that said, your stats are completely worthless because
Again no one is saying it is THE reason. They are saying it is ONE of many. Playcalling, QB play, WR play, OL play and to an extent RB play are all reasons our offense sucks. As far as the penalties...people continue to ask why Herman makes Arnaud do something he is not good at but then poo poo penalties that make AA attempt what he does worst. AA can throw the short stuff contrary to some's beliefs. AA can throw the deep ball, he just never gets the opportunity. AA cannot and has never thrown the 20 yard pass well, especially across the middle and even worse across the middle on a compressed field when there is more traffic. So when you put him in 2nd and 20 and 3rd and 20 in scoring position, you are forcing him to do what he can't do. It was like asking Shaggy to kick a 44 yard field goal instead of a 35. Shaggy was 90% inside 40, 50% beyond.
- They do not breakdown offensive and defensive penalties- How many of ISU's penalties occur while on offense compared to the other schools? I know over 85% of our penalties are on the offense. Are the other schools special teams,offensive or defensive? Your stats are worthless until this breakdown is done. Absolutely worthless.
- How many of our penalties are inside the opponents 35 (scoring position) compared to the other school's? I know that over 60% of our penalties have occurred inside the opponent's 35. I believe the number jumps to 75% when you factor in opposing territory. I do know that all of our TDs except one have come on penalty free drives.
- How many of our penalties are on 2nd and 3rd down compared to other schools? It is easier to overcome 1st and 15 or 2nd and 7 than 3rd and 15 or 3rd and 20 and we actually over come the 1st and 15 sometimes. Our one TD when we had a penalty was a 1st and 15.
- What are the penalties and how many yards compared to those schools? The majority of our penalties have been OPI, illegal block and holding. Those are 10-15 yarders. We have had some false starts which are easier to overcome (and we actually have over come those). Again, 1st and 15 is easier that 2nd and 20.
- Our offense is not set up to pick up 15-20 yards and yes, that is an issue itself. We are more likely to over come a false start on 1st down (1st and 15) when we have 3-4 shots at picking up 5-8 yards than we are a 3rd and 20. Our offense is dink and dunk and our QB has issues with the 15-20 yard pass. If your QB can't throw that pass and your WRs can't get separation, the worst thing for your offense is a penalty on 2nd or 3rd down that forces you to throw the 20 yard pass on 3rd down when the defense only has to defend that. Look at AA's INTs and most come on 3rd and long when he feels forced to make a play. Most(not all) come on 3rd when he is throwing 15 yards across the middle in a compressed field. Guess where the compressed field is located? Again see scoring position penalties.
- What plays are erased due to the penalties? NIU, AAs 50+ TD run was erased. Against iowa, our first time in the red zone was erased due to a 15 yard penalty. That was a 25 yard field position swing. KSU we had a first down in the red zone erased due to a penalty so instead of 1st and 10 inside the 20, we get 2nd and whatever outside the 20.
- Our offense is not good enough to overcome mistakes let alone mistakes that put us in long yardage situations. If a WR and OL want to ***** about AA then they can't have a stupid penalty that forces him to do something he doesn't do well. It would be like AA being upset with Lenz for not out jumping a taller more athletic CB. Yes, AA should be able to throw that pass but let's be honest...he doesn't do it well.
Stats are worthless? 106th in YPG is not a worthless stat. It shows what our real problems are. Rank the problems we have on offense. I bet you rank penalties down towards the bottom.
And I have seen plenty of people blame penalties for our lack of offense production. It's just not true. Our lack of offensive production is do to lack of talent, execution, play calling, etc. Penalties are just an additional kick to the stones
Geez guys, no need to get snarky. The problem is ISU FB - not this site or generally not the fans.
It is worthless when making the comparison between other schools and worthless when discussing offensive stats because the penalties are not broken down between offense and defense.
OU might have 85% of their penalties on defense and special teams whwere ours is 85% offense. Therefore, OU's penalties would have absoultely no effect on their offense.