Tiller wont be the starter next year. You heard it here. Unless he dramaticly improves on passing over that time. The starter will be a Herman recruit. Either Capello, Barnett or Richardson.
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Tiller wont be the starter next year. You heard it here. Unless he dramaticly improves on passing over that time. The starter will be a Herman recruit. Either Capello, Barnett or Richardson.
So, since Tiller put up absolutely horrible numbers against the worst team we played all year, we should let him play against the likes of Texas Tech, Utah, Texas and Oklahoma? Makes sense to me.
Since Arnaud only averages 2 turnovers a game we should let him play right?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyrocksmypants
Yet again, somebody else acting like the 3 INTs from the Iowa game were the end of the world. One more time, ISU was down 28-0 before he threw the first INT. The first 2 INTs came on 3rd downs and the 3rd on a 4th and 12. Maybe just maybe, you could cut the QB a little slack for trying to make a play when the offense has sucked all day long and the team is down by 28? Or we could just continue to pretend that the reason we lost the Iowa game was because of Arnaud's INTs. Yeah, that sounds like more fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sawyer
For his career Austen has a slightly above 1:1 TD:INT ratio (31:29 to be exact). That's definitely not great, but I'm sorry that's a much better track record than what JT has shown on the field in his career. I hate all this debate because it's starting to feel like I'm trashing JT because I hate the kid. I actually really like Jerome. The kid plays his heart out and he's for the most part stepped in admirably when called upon. It all boils down to this though, I think a healthy AA gives this team a better chance to win right now. And until this team is out of contention for a bowl bid, I don't think we can afford to play a QB just to see what we have in him. If we are sitting on 2 wins with only 3 games left to play (and I pray the season doesn't come to that) then I'm all for getting JT as much time on the field as possible.
I think you will probably be right. Has anybody heard any buzz from practice on how Barnett is doing? Randy Peterson mentioned in his chat that he had heard from a couple people that JB had been playing pretty well. I'm curious if there is anything to that or if it's just maybe some people connected to the program having a serious case of backup QB syndrome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clones21
Being that Tiller throws an interception once every 24 pass attempts compared to Arnaud throwing one once every 29 pass attempts, I'm going to say yeah, Arnaud should play, if healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sawyer
Don't you think that there's a reason why they haven't opened the playbook for Tiller? I understand against Nebraska, but as a RS Soph vs UNI? I expected some improvement from last year, but it looked to me like the same Tiller from last year. There's something to be said for being a good runner and not turning the ball over, but with the offenses ISU is going to face, they are going to have to score some points. I think that's worth risking some turnovers with Arnaud.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmckern
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Originally Posted by Wesley
Oh, I see, so we can use the Oline as an excuse ONLY for TIller because it'sdifferent when Arnaud plays.
Respect goes both ways. I don' t think anyone has accused you of having your lips on someones ****. You on the other hand have accused others of just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBlooded
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Originally Posted by RedBlooded
Yes!
(see you soon)
Let's say I was 50/50 on giving Tiller a shot if Arnaud is healthy. The shot he got was against the absolute worst defense we will play all year so I would actually need to see him do something much better than Arnaud to have reason to want him more. Alright, so he did what he did and now I don't want to see him unless there is an injury. He wasn't impressive. It wasn't like he went 7/9 with 90 yards. He threw the ball 22 frickin times. He completed half of them. Let's say 1/4(I think that's generous) were throwaways. That still isn't impressive. Yeah, he didn't turn it over. Whoopity frickin do. HE LED THE TEAM TO ONE TOUCHDOWN. Even that is flawed because they needed a fake FG to do it. If we kick the fieldgoal we don't even get a touchdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruxCYtable
Oh, so he was jacked up against UNI. I'm sure he won't be like that when he is playing a Big 12 team.
He has had THREE games of experience. 3 > 1. In ALL THREE games he has proven to be ineffective. The only reason why he is sitting at a 2-1 record right now is because the defense has bailed his arse out in the two wins, and was a major contributing factor in his one loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBlooded
Great. He's a QB that doesn't lose us games. If we ran an offensive system such as a triple option or pro set in which power running was the major component to the game plan, and we had a solid defense that resembled Jekyll more often than Hyde, then great - his "not losing us any games" would be a perfect fit and mentality for this team. Unfortunately (at least in Tiller's case), we run a spread offense (not conducive to the "not lose" mentality) and we have a defense that we cannot rely on to win every game for us. Not to mention our receiver play is so bad right now that defenses can key in on shutting down the run.
What that means is our team situation right now is we can't afford to have a QB that operates with the "don't lose us any games" mentality - he has to have the "win us our games mentality". As far as we know right now, we do not have a QB on roster that at this moment is capable of playing with that mentality. Tiller, in all three games, was for the most part a nonfactor, if not a detriment. Capello appears nto to be ready to be that kind of QB (although, for this team's sake, I'm hoping he becomes that kind of QB). And Arnaud clearly isn't that kind of a QB either, however, at least he has shown SOME capability of being able to win through all of his mistakes. In other words, unfortunately, Arnaud is the best option this team has right now, which isn't saying much.
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Originally Posted by yaman3
[QUOTE=shagcarpetjesus;1919883]Yet again, somebody else acting like the 3 INTs from the Iowa game were the end of the world. One more time, ISU was down 28-0 before he threw the first INT. The first 2 INTs came on 3rd downs and the 3rd on a 4th and 12. Maybe just maybe, you could cut the QB a little slack for trying to make a play when the offense has sucked all day long and the team is down by 28? Or we could just continue to pretend that the reason we lost the Iowa game was because of Arnaud's INTs. Yeah, that sounds like more fun.
You could give him a little slack but throwing TWO interceptions inside the ten when you are going into score isn't something to just ignore!
Yes, the game was over but honestly the game was over when Robinson dropped the first 3rd down pass.
[QUOTE=yaman3;1919942]Let's say I was 50/50 on giving Tiller a shot if Arnaud is healthy. The shot he got was against the absolute worst defense we will play all year so I would actually need to see him do something much better than Arnaud to have reason to want him more. Alright, so he did what he did and now I don't want to see him unless there is an injury. He wasn't impressive. It wasn't like he went 7/9 with 90 yards. He threw the ball 22 frickin times. He completed half of them. Let's say 1/4(I think that's generous) were throwaways. That still isn't impressive.
Well, that would make him 11-17 for 87 yards with no turnovers...right? That looks to me like a QB that was told to manage the game and not lose it.
Yeah, he didn't turn it over. Whoopity frickin do. HE LED THE TEAM TO ONE TOUCHDOWN. Even that is flawed because they needed a fake FG to do it. If we kick the fieldgoal we don't even get a touchdown.
How many touchdowns did Arnaud lead the offense to in games against Iowa and Kansas State?