Capello Needs to Start at Home vs. KU

**cyhiphopp** · 10-18-2010, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by tamjam

What if we start AA the rest of the year and still end up 3-9?

If we lose to KU, and NU and are mathematically eliminated from bowl eligibility, then we re-assess the situation. We have 5 games left to get 3 wins. 2 of which are against teams who, at this point in the season, are in worse shape than ISU.

Neither KU or CU have a Big12 win. ISU does. KU just got pasted 59-7 against KSU. ISU was one incomplete pass away from tying the game against KSU. Colorado

The 4 teams ISU has lost to this year are 5-1. 5-1, 6-0, and 6-0. 3 of those are in the top ten and KSU is #22 in the BCS rankings and we almost beat them.

Other than KSU, which was a toss-up game, we were SUPPOSED to lose to the other 3 teams.

**BigBake** · 10-18-2010, 10:33 AM

We still have a very realistic shot at a bowl game. There is zero reason to gamble on an unproven rookie qb.

**GeneralHouston** · 10-18-2010, 10:34 AM

When something (our offense) is sucking, it is natural to want to try something else.
However, are we at the point where we just put someone in just because it is a change?

I do think it is possible that the time to switch QBs is mid-season. I have no idea if this is that case.

**atlantacyclone** · 10-18-2010, 10:38 AM

I think that if we were going to do that experiment maybe we should do it against Texas and go with the guys with experience to get the "must wins."

**tamjam** · 10-18-2010, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by aeroclone

I will give everyone KU, they are just awful, but I think this board is setting itself up for a major meltdown with CU. They haven't shown themselves to be a complete joke so far this year, and much better ISU teams than this one have lost in Boulder. They are currently 3-3, with TT, @OU, and @KU coming up before they play us. They could likely win the TT and KU games and be coming in to the ISU game 5-3. After our game, they have KSU, and @Nebraska. If the Buffs are going to have a shot at a bowl game, then they have a big red circle around ISU on the calendar.

And we need to quit with the ISU bowl talk as well. For a sixth win on our schedule, we aren't going to beat Nebraska. I don't even think that one is going to be close. And Mizzou is now ranked and looking pretty solid. They just announced that Gameday is coming to Columbia on Saturday for their game with OU. We aren't going to beat them either.

Our bowl hopes died when we scheduled Utah and then failed to pull out the KSU game. I really can't believe that a month later so many of our fans still think we will find 6 wins. Have you guys watched us play?

Nice reality check. However, I hope you know that according to ISUcy08 you are no longer a "real" ISU fan.

**jdoggivjc** · 10-18-2010, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by RandomFan

As Herm Edwards said, you play to win the game. The only reason JC should start is if he gives us the best chance to win.

Or if we're throwing up the white flag, signaling that our season is over. What OP (and a few others) don't realize is that at 3-4 our season is FAR from over. 3 of those losses are to top-10 teams, and the 4th is to a certain bowl team, and a team that, had the OL maintained a certain amount of discipline every time the offense entered the red zone in the first half, or had the defense come up with one more stop, we could have won that game.

This season is far from over. Kansas and Colorado are very winnable, and if we do so we just need to find one more win somewhere to go bowling, which would be a SIGNIFICANT accomplishment considering the SOS this year. There is no reason to just wave the white flag yet.

Of course, if KU ends up in the L column for us, all bets are off and then it's probably best to start looking at the future. But how 'bout we don't make that decision until the cards are off the table, hmm'kay?

**cyhiphopp** · 10-18-2010, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

Or if we're throwing up the white flag, signaling that our season is over. What OP (and a few others) don't realize is that at 3-4 our season is FAR from over. 3 of those losses are to top-10 teams, and the 4th is to a certain bowl team, and a team that, had the OL maintained a certain amount of discipline every time the offense entered the red zone in the first half, or had the defense come up with one more stop, we could have won that game.

This season is far from over. Kansas and Colorado are very winnable, and if we do so we just need to find one more win somewhere to go bowling, which would be a SIGNIFICANT accomplishment considering the SOS this year. There is no reason to just wave the white flag yet.

Of course, if KU ends up in the L column for us, all bets are off and then it's probably best to start looking at the future. But how 'bout we don't make that decision until the cards are off the table, hmm'kay?

IF we lose the KU game, I would prefer we put in Tiller, who has actually started and won a Big 12 game. Everyone is writing him off as a lost cause. I think, with more reps, he could improve his passing and really use his athletic ability to help the team.

But thats another thread entirely.

**mt85** · 10-18-2010, 10:52 AM

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Thus, at this point in the season I think the coaching staff has to be open to exploring all available options.

I have no idea whether James has more talent then AA or JT, but it is obvious that our quarterback play has been consistently below expectation. Whether either of the backups could have performed better is unknown.

The problem is that changing quarterbacks at this point in the season is not as easy it may seem. This staff has invested heavily in AA being the guy for this season, so it is a very tough decision whether you scrap that investment and open up the competition or go with what you have. You have to remember the backups are backups for a reason. They clearly didn't show enough in practice to become the starter. Some of that may be a result of opportunity, but it may also be they just aren't better.

The more you open up competition the more you spread the reps which may leave everyone less prepared.

It is a difficult dilemma, but I trust the coaches are doing everything they can to give the team the best chance to win.

**aeroclone** · 10-18-2010, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by tamjam

Nice reality check. However, I hope you know that according to ISUcy08 you are no longer a "real" ISU fan.

Just as a point of clarification, I'm not jumping on the bench AA bandwagon. I trust to coaches to make that call and I think our problems are a lot deeper than just QB (starting with the lines). I'm just saying, for as thin as we are on D and the fact that our offense has been garbage in 6 out of 7 games, you people sound like kool-aid drinking sunshine pumpers penciling in a W in Boulder where we rarely win and talking about pulling out an upset to get to a bowl. That means a win against UT, who we have never beat, Nebraska, who we beat once every couple decades, or Mizzou who we haven't beat for several years. Oh, and by the way, all those are ranked teams. The best we have done this season in 3 trips out against ranked teams is losing by 4 touchdowns. And it was only 4 TDs because Iowa was nice to us.

**CyDude16** · 10-18-2010, 11:06 AM

Arnaud, as much as it sucks to watch at times, gives us the best chance to win... End of Story...

**Me State** · 10-18-2010, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Wow Capello sure is building up to be the next message board legend isn't he? It's quite impressive. Especially for a kid who came in as a 2 star with no other offers and has done nothing on the field to justify fans wanting him to play

No one is saying that they want Capello in because how great he is. They are saying it because of how poor the other options are performing.

**GeneralHouston** · 10-18-2010, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by CyDude16

Arnaud, as much as it sucks to watch at times, gives us the best chance to win... End of Story...

And at times, the best chance to lose.

**cyhiphopp** · 10-18-2010, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by GeneralHouston

And at times, the best chance to lose.

Really? Serious question, do you think Tiller or Capello would have given us better a better opprotunity to win any of the games we've lost this season? I do not.

**RandomFan** · 10-18-2010, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by aeroclone

Just as a point of clarification, I'm not jumping on the bench AA bandwagon. I trust to coaches to make that call and I think our problems are a lot deeper than just QB (starting with the lines). I'm just saying, for as thin as we are on D and the fact that our offense has been garbage in 6 out of 7 games, you people sound like kool-aid drinking sunshine pumpers penciling in a W in Boulder where we rarely win and talking about pulling out an upset to get to a bowl. That means a win against UT, who we have never beat, Nebraska, who we beat once every couple decades, or Mizzou who we haven't beat for several years. Oh, and by the way, all those are ranked teams. The best we have done this season in 3 trips out against ranked teams is losing by 4 touchdowns. And it was only 4 TDs because Iowa was nice to us.

We've beaten Nebraska 3 times in the last 8 tries. Not a real impressive stat, but much more accurate than "once every couple of decades."

By the way, I am a kool-aid drinking sunshine pumper and damn proud to be one.

**cyrocksmypants** · 10-18-2010, 11:23 AM

Fact of the matter is, with how pourus and pathetic that this offensive line it, it doesn't matter who we have at quarterback, they're going to get killed. This line is one of the worst looking lines I've seen at ISU in awhile, which is saying a lot.