Different Guy at QB?

**Wesley** · 10-18-2010, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by vmbplayer

It's a double edged sword. While it seems to be pretty popular recently to point at AA as why we haven't done more this year, he also is a big reason we have the wins we do.

I look at it this way. AA had 75% completions against Northern Illinois, and a heck of a game against TT. With a different guy we could just as easily be 1-6. If Seneca Wallace were running the offense we would likely be 1 game better than we are now (K state). Utah, Iowa, and OU may have been closer games, but I don't see anyone moving those into the win column. AA helps more than he hurts.

His running ability made first downs against the weaker teams and then led to wins. Against real dlines, he cannot make the same plays. All he can do is fling the ball to the outside while running for his life.

**CyKrog** · 10-18-2010, 08:12 PM

The only QB that might help is Peyton Manning... so many other positions need help

**woodie** · 10-18-2010, 08:22 PM

arnaud will be the runnerup for the heisman..you heard it here first!!!!!!! if you believe this fairy tale,i have some beachfront property in nevada for sale!!!!!

**TuckerBlayze** · 10-18-2010, 08:38 PM

We would be atleast 4-2 with Wynn or Jones as our QB or possibly better. This offense needs a QB with very good accuracy.

If you have an accurate passer..the quick throws are there..so less chance for a pass rush. The bigger passing threat at QB opens up the running game. And if your QB can actually run a little the offense becomes that much more dangerous.

With a good offense, the defense is on the field less. Being on the field less makes them more rested and ready to go. And if by some chance the offense is actually scoring points instead of going three-and-out each time they might be a little more motivated to go out and stop the other team!

I know there are several positions that aren't playing well right now but having a different QB especially one of those two (Wynn or Jones) would make a HUGE difference!

**HFCS** · 10-18-2010, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Bigguns

I am wondering what people think ISU's record would be if we had ANY of the QB's that start for the teams we lost to.

My opinion is this....

Stanzi(15th in BCS)... Same
Coffman(5-1)...Same
Wynn(10th in BCS)...MAYBE we beat KSU
Jones(1st in BCS)...MAYBE we beat KSU

KSU's quarterback was pretty bad, we could have lost to Texas Tech with him as QB.

**drednot57** · 10-18-2010, 09:17 PM

Beat the Dead Horse! Harder! Harder!

**ruxCYtable** · 10-18-2010, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by IcSyU

I pretty much agree with the OP's results. Until we can stop somebody defensively, QB is the least of our issues.

I don't understand people who keep saying this. Our defense is bad, yes, but if our offense could sustain drives we could shield that poor defense and keep them off the field. Arnaud cannot complete the simplest of passes resulting in a pluthera of 3-and-outs the likes of which I've never seen. Contrary to the beliefs of an astounding number of people on this board, they ARE related. We have a poor, depleted defense that is spending entirely too much time on the field, making them even worse than they really are. And the reason for that is the offense and, more specifically, the man behind center.

**Al_4_State** · 10-18-2010, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by ianoconnor

We'd be better with Stanzi in my opinion.

Only if we had a run game. Stanzi throws mostly off of play action, to guys who are a lot more open than anyone we have. Watch an Iowa game. Every time they go play action, the TE is WIDE open. Their WRs get great separation.

Not to discredit Stanzi, because he's had a fine year, but he'd look like **** at ISU.

**Al_4_State** · 10-18-2010, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

Stanzi is much more accurate on his passes than AA. It is not close. And he makes better choices. You need look no further then their win-loss records to tell the story.

You understand how ridiculous this is, right? What do you think their respective win-loss record would be if they switched teams?

If you think Stanzi (or ANYONE) would be 18-4 playing for ISU, I hope that your family has the proper authorities contacted, and you're on your way to a padded cell.

**Al_4_State** · 10-18-2010, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by ruxCYtable

I don't understand people who keep saying this. Our defense is bad, yes, but if our offense could sustain drives we could shield that poor defense and keep them off the field. Arnaud cannot complete the simplest of passes resulting in a pluthera of 3-and-outs the likes of which I've never seen. Contrary to the beliefs of an astounding number of people on this board, they ARE related. We have a poor, depleted defense that is spending entirely too much time on the field, making them even worse than they really are. And the reason for that is the offense and, more specifically, the man behind center.

Simple passes? You mean 3rd an 9s to receivers who aren't open when you're under pressure?

I'm guessing that Arnaud also threw the coin toss last weekend, because with the way OU drove the field on their first possession, it was obvious the defense was worn out from some offensive failure.

Our offense has been bad the last 2 weeks, but let's quit acting like our defense is bad just because their tired. Our defense sucked *** right out the gate saturday. The only way we would have won is if our offense scored every single time they had the ball, and that's an unrealistic expectation.

**ruxCYtable** · 10-18-2010, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

Simple passes? You mean 3rd an 9s to receivers who aren't open when you're under pressure?

I'm guessing that Arnaud also threw the coin toss last weekend, because with the way OU drove the field on their first possession, it was obvious the defense was worn out from some offensive failure.

Our offense has been bad the last 2 weeks, but let's quit acting like our defense is bad just because their tired. Our defense sucked *** right out the gate saturday. The only way we would have won is if our offense scored every single time they had the ball, and that's an unrealistic expectation.

And why is it 3rd and 9? Probably because of 1-2 missed easy throws on 1st and/or 2nd down.

And if you're going to respond to my post at least read it first. Did I say the defense is bad because they were tired? No. I said the fact that our offense can't sustain a drive makes our ALREADY BAD defense EVEN WORSE.

**Al_4_State** · 10-18-2010, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by ruxCYtable

And why is it 3rd and 9? Probably because of 1-2 missed easy throws on 1st and/or 2nd down.

And if you're going to respond to my post at least read it first. Did I say the defense is bad because they were tired? No. I said the fact that our offense can't sustain a drive makes our ALREADY BAD defense EVEN WORSE.

No, they're 3rd and 8 (my bad) because of our 1.8 yard per carry average, which given our talent at RB is on the O-line.

I would agree that the offense hasn't helped the defense much, but our offense would have to score 50 points a game to have been in the last couple. That's unrealistic.

**QuickQuestion** · 10-19-2010, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

Only if we had a run game. Stanzi throws mostly off of play action, to guys who are a lot more open than anyone we have. Watch an Iowa game. Every time they go play action, the TE is WIDE open. Their WRs get great separation.

Not to discredit Stanzi, because he's had a fine year, but he'd look like **** at ISU.

Bringing up Stanzi over AA to Al is a dangerous subject.

**CyCloned** · 10-19-2010, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by cycloneman003

the thing with having wynn, jones or stanzi is that they are a threat to throw. AA right now doesnt give opposing teams any reason to fear the pass because he is just plain BAD in our system. we rely so heavily on the zone read because we have zero confidence in having AA make plays throwing, and AA has pretty much lost all confidence in himself it seems like when I watch the games. Its time for a change. We're gonna ride AA out the rest of this year im sure, but i cant wait for a new face back there.

This is exactly what I have been saying. AA is not horrible until he tries to throw the ball down the field, then he is really bad. Since there is no threat that ISU is going to beat anyone deep, everyone is compressing the LOS and destroying everything else ISU is trying to run.

I do agree with the original poster though, the record would not be much different. ISU would have still lost to Iowa, OU and Utah, might have beat KSU, btu at least there would not have been the embarrassment of getting completely blown out in three games, with a 4th one coming this weekend.

**Knownothing** · 10-19-2010, 08:06 AM

I loved Seneca and think he is better than AA but c'mon. He never had more than 7 wins and got blown out as much as AA

He beat the teams he should have beat i.e. Kansas State. Not KSU back then because they were really good. That is why I said we would have beat K=State but still got creamed by the other 3 teams.