ISU's Wide Receivers

**Skyh13** · 11-21-2010, 01:08 AM

WR's were REALLY terrible tonight. Don't know where the help is gonna come from next year... Defense is really looking up... offense is scary bad.

**InCytful** · 11-21-2010, 01:36 AM

Overall, I'm appreciative of the team's effort against Missouri and for the season in general. 5-7 was the record I predicted at the start, but I wouldn't have predicted the games we'd win. Defense was very good today.

Tiller performed ok for someone with one week of the majority of snaps with the first string offense, with some pretty good throws and others not so good. O-line was pretty good most of the game against a good defense, but still had a false start and a chop block that were pretty costly. Other than a few good plays, the WR corps played terrible. Drops, poor routes, taking it easy on plays as others have mentioned. D. Reynolds missed a block on an outside run by Tiller that I think could have gone for big yards. They had other times where outside runs or screens weren't blocked well. Poor downfield blocking is some of the worst stuff you can do in a spread offense. I don't know if they need different guys or just another off-season's conditioning drills. I'm thinking more of the latter, as it can do nothing but improve this group. Take some time off for Thanksgiving and finals, and then get back to work for next year. Thanks for the effort, Seniors! Go State!

**risiusj** · 11-21-2010, 01:51 AM

Just a quick little note -

Saw Sedrick Johnson strolling around Wal-Mart with a girl a few minutes ago. Maybe I'm upset about how we ended the season, but I could, personally, never approach college football like that. Or practically anything for that matter. A little bit of inward reflection is what I think is in order. I suppose if he were the guy to operate like that he would've stopped playing like a dog a couple months ago.

Plus, she wasn't all that hot.

**InCytful** · 11-21-2010, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by risiusj

Just a quick little note -

Saw Sedrick Johnson strolling around Wal-Mart with a girl a few minutes ago. Maybe I'm upset about how we ended the season, but I could, personally, never approach college football like that. Or practically anything for that matter. A little bit of inward reflection is what I think is in order. I suppose if he were the guy to operate like that he would've stopped playing like a dog a couple months ago.

Plus, she wasn't all that hot.

What the heck happened to Sedrick this year? After they hyped him coming into the season, he dropped down the depth chart and didn't do much. He hurt or something, or as you say, was his mind on other things than football?

**jbhtexas** · 11-21-2010, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by Frak

They keep bringing in multiple WRs every year and none of them are worth a crap.

Originally Posted by clonedude

This is my BIGGEST pet peeve with our recruiting. We've been sacrificing the defensive side of the ball to bring in tons of WR's, but which ones are going to pan out?

Well, here's an idea...instead of just bringing in waves of receivers and hoping for a some good ones, maybe we could hire somebody to coach the current corps into being better players. The defense isn't loaded with 4* recruits, but they seem to be getting better.

There have been multiple setbacks across the whole offense, not just at WR. Nobody really improved this year. Time to start taking the kids you've got and making them better. Right now, ISU is not magnet for talent. Limited athletic ability is one thing, but when there is no improvement across the entire unit, it's time to start taking the coaches to task.

**Stormin** · 11-21-2010, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by tazclone

This is hilarious. Arnaud has had guys dropping balls all year and it was his fault. All of a sudden, they lack effort and they need to be better. Well Tiller hit guys oin the freaking hands tongiht. This crapola that "if we only has an accurate QB" blah, blah, blahblah. This offense needs consistency improvements at every freaking position

OL- Inconsistent all year
WR- Inconsistent all year
QB- Inconsistent (actually much better in conference)
RB- Inconsistent (much better in conference particularly Texas and beyond)

Now ask yourself when every unit is inconsistent, what do they all have in common?

They are consistently inconsistent????

**tazclone** · 11-21-2010, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by twojman

While I agree the receivers could have done a better job, 13-31 does not get it done. There were some very bad throws by Tiller and if he would have taken his time on a couple of other plays he had receivers WIDE open in the end zone he did not even see. Poor decision making by the QB, poor throws by the QB, poor hands by the WR's and the offensive line underperforming gets ISU shutout. Lots of work to do with this **** poor offense. Do we need Steve Loney to come back? ISU's offense was OUTSTANDING under him.

Yes, he could have done better. But those drops were freaking ridiculous and they happened at bad time. You do know that Tiller's stats would look a lot better if there were 6 more completions. Get 6 more completions and you can run the ball more effectively. Open receivers in the end zone don't mean squat if they can't catch the damn ball.

**tazclone** · 11-21-2010, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by InCytful

Overall, I'm appreciative of the team's effort against Missouri and for the season in general. 5-7 was the record I predicted at the start, but I wouldn't have predicted the games we'd win. Defense was very good today.

Tiller performed ok for someone with one week of the majority of snaps with the first string offense, with some pretty good throws and others not so good. O-line was pretty good most of the game against a good defense, but still had a false start and a chop block that were pretty costly. Other than a few good plays, the WR corps played terrible. Drops, poor routes, taking it easy on plays as others have mentioned. D. Reynolds missed a block on an outside run by Tiller that I think could have gone for big yards. They had other times where outside runs or screens weren't blocked well. Poor downfield blocking is some of the worst stuff you can do in a spread offense. I don't know if they need different guys or just another off-season's conditioning drills. I'm thinking more of the latter, as it can do nothing but improve this group. Take some time off for Thanksgiving and finals, and then get back to work for next year. Thanks for the effort, Seniors! Go State!

Tiller was just waiting to read that block. If Reynolds forces his man out, Tiller could have cut up. If he forces him in, Tiller goes out. In the end it was a stalemate which was disappointing because Reynolds is probably our best blocking WR

**tazclone** · 11-21-2010, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

Well, here's an idea...instead of just bringing in waves of receivers and hoping for a some good ones, maybe we could hire somebody to coach the current corps into being better players. The defense isn't loaded with 4* recruits, but they seem to be getting better.

There have been multiple setbacks across the whole offense, not just at WR. Nobody really improved this year. Time to start taking the kids you've got and making them better. Right now, ISU is not magnet for talent. Limited athletic ability is one thing, but when there is no improvement across the entire unit, it's time to start taking the coaches to task.

Shhhh. It is year two and Herman does not have his guys (even though WR is one of the easier positions to start as an underclassmen) you are not allowed to criticize him or the offensive stat.

IMO- Two units have been really disappointing this year. OL and WR. I expected more out of both. Now the OL had some key injuries but we have heard about how deep we are. All this depth and we had to slide our C out to RT? KO moved back to an "okay" LT. Williams was our only consistent WR and even he had a 2 game stretch of the dropsies. Everyone else plateaued and even slipped

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 11-21-2010, 09:36 AM

Whats wrong with Jenert (sp)?

**Wesley** · 11-21-2010, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by ISUAlum2002

Its almost like this thread was an omen to the performance that was to occur tonight. How many drops did we see tonight? I can recall two critical drops by each of Josh Lenz and Money tonight, among other drops. I realize its cold out but these guys were dropping passes that were hitting them right in the numbers, or at the very least were very catchable balls. That game was there for the taking tonight, even without our d-line putting pressure on Gabbert. The receivers blew this game tonight, big time.

It looked like they had an inability to slow down and adjust to catch the ball. Wow, that was a ball breaker.

**Wesley** · 11-21-2010, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy

Whats wrong with Jenert (sp)?

He needs to add some weight.

**Wesley** · 11-21-2010, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by InCytful

Overall, I'm appreciative of the team's effort against Missouri and for the season in general. 5-7 was the record I predicted at the start, but I wouldn't have predicted the games we'd win. Defense was very good today.

Tiller performed ok for someone with one week of the majority of snaps with the first string offense, with some pretty good throws and others not so good. O-line was pretty good most of the game against a good defense, but still had a false start and a chop block that were pretty costly. Other than a few good plays, the WR corps played terrible. Drops, poor routes, taking it easy on plays as others have mentioned. D. Reynolds missed a block on an outside run by Tiller that I think could have gone for big yards. They had other times where outside runs or screens weren't blocked well. Poor downfield blocking is some of the worst stuff you can do in a spread offense. I don't know if they need different guys or just another off-season's conditioning drills. I'm thinking more of the latter, as it can do nothing but improve this group. Take some time off for Thanksgiving and finals, and then get back to work for next year. Thanks for the effort, Seniors! Go State!

The wide receivers need about 50% improvement to begin tom match the other teams receivers. The downfield blocking was much better than it was in the past. The rush by MO was fairly good. The best part of MO was their people at sidelines drove into tackles and did not allow runners to fall forward. We needed to take dives over the tops of their tackles to gain more yards and we did not.

**Tre4ISU** · 11-21-2010, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by tazclone

Shhhh. It is year two and Herman does not have his guys (even though WR is one of the easier positions to start as an underclassmen) you are not allowed to criticize him or the offensive stat.

IMO- Two units have been really disappointing this year. OL and WR. I expected more out of both. Now the OL had some key injuries but we have heard about how deep we are. All this depth and we had to slide our C out to RT? KO moved back to an "okay" LT. Williams was our only consistent WR and even he had a 2 game stretch of the dropsies. Everyone else plateaued and even slipped

You can question Herman all you want but I think the questioning is focused on the wrong person. I think there are two people on the staff who need to be re-evaluated. Obviously, I don't see the day to day workings and what goes on. I can say thought that I have not seen the two people I am thinking of do their parts at this point. The thing about Herman is that he can't coach the positions and be the OC so he is reliant on 4-5 other guys to develop players he can use. The WRs have underachieved. I don't know why for sure, but here is my guess: What I believe we have in general is average receivers and an average QB. Those two together will struggle. One of those groups needs to be able to help the other out. They don't. There are tough through to average receivers. That's a not a model for consistency. Honestly, Tiller impressed me a little bit last night. I thought he made some awesome throws into small windows and I thought he made good situational throws. This talk of seperation is a little overdone. In man coverage situations, you're not going to get 5 yards. You might get two. That's where the QB comes in. I also think that when there is zone coverage, we have trouble finding the soft spots. IMO, this is coaching and last night chemistry likely had something to do with it.

I still have complete faith in Herman. I just think there's a couple other places that I haven't seen what I thought I would see.

**ISUFan22** · 11-21-2010, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by ISUAlum2002

Our WR corps are consistently overrated....well, by us here on the board anyway.

Correct. Made worse by a certain family member of a player that got a number of people here all twisted up in the hype and slobbering over his every letter.

Originally Posted by CloneFan4

Couldn't agree more! The deep threat showed in the T Tech game but all of a sudden wasn't called upon for the rest of the season. Herman I'm looking at you.

A deep threat is defined as a receiver that can consistently get behind defenders and make big plays. It is not defined as a player that catches one deep ball all season and then proceeds to drop passes and fumble the ball by trying to do too much.