Pitt Doesn't Want Rhoads

[drmwevr08]

Question 2: You ever been to a banquet where Paul Rhoads spoke? He has said several times to the affect that this is HIS destination job. Just cause its not a destination job for Gene Chizik, does not mean its not a destination job for Paul Rhoads. You must remeber he is a Cyclone at heart, not just a Cyclone employee, bid difference.

I want to believe him but thats generally not how the business works. This is not to say that he can't stay here forever, just that its tough to count on it, especially this early. They all say that or something positive toward that end. I would expect nothing less than being dedicated at the moment, given what you know at that time. When an offer comes that you don't expect, you might have to change your outlook. Plus everyone knows that the loyalty doesn't go the other way for long without some wins.

[cyhiphopp]

Question 2: You ever been to a banquet where Paul Rhoads spoke? He has said several times to the affect that this is HIS destination job. Just cause its not a destination job for Gene Chizik, does not mean its not a destination job for Paul Rhoads. You must remeber he is a Cyclone at heart, not just a Cyclone employee, bid difference.

I am not going to go so far as to say that there is no chance CPR leaves. Many believe that CPR is here until he retires or we fire him. I don't think thats the case.
However, I don't think the Pitt job will be enough to sway him. ISU has many things going for it at this point. We are close to his family. He has stated that he has goals he wants to accomplish at ISU and I think he will be here for at least a few more years to work on those goals.

However, if there aren't significant improvements in the program on the field and facilities wise within the next few years CPR might find himself in a losing situation. If he is doing all the right things and still can't build the program, that is a problem. Everyone wants to see their hard work pay off. If, in the future, CPR feels like he has done all he can at ISU, I can see him taking a bigger job. I have a feeling that he will have accomplished something in that time to earn it.

If we continue to improve and CPR and staff are justly compensated, I can see CPR sticking around for a long time, unless one of the top 10 jobs comes calling. At that point the program should be in a position to hire another good coach and keep us going in the right direction.


In short. I don't think CPR goes to Pitt, but I also don't think he is here for life so don't get your hopes up too far.

[Clark]

Question 2: You ever been to a banquet where Paul Rhoads spoke? He has said several times to the affect that this is HIS destination job. Just cause its not a destination job for Gene Chizik, does not mean its not a destination job for Paul Rhoads. You must remeber he is a Cyclone at heart, not just a Cyclone employee, bid difference.

Hey if the guy turns down an offer from Alabama (or the NFL) to stay at ISU I'll believe that.

I honestly don't believe Rhoads will take the Pitt job if offered but I wouldn't be shocked if he did.

Kind of like how I don't believe Ferentz would take the PSU job if offered but wouldn't be shocked if he did.

[Cycsk]

Hey if the guy turns down an offer from Alabama (or the NFL) to stay at ISU I'll believe that.

I honestly don't believe Rhoads will take the Pitt job if offered but I wouldn't be shocked if he did.

Kind of like how I don't believe Ferentz would take the PSU job if offered but wouldn't be shocked if he did.

Isn't there some statistics that show the relationship between "success" and "years the head coach has been at a school?" It seems that so many of the guys who chase a big paycheck end up only getting it for a few years. Whereas the guys who stay in one place for a long time get the big paychecks, but over a longer period of time.

It would be interesting to find out some stats of the income of ex-head coaches once they are fired. I've got to think that if you are at a school paying you $1m, you are best to keep it for 25 years rather than jump at the first $1.5m that comes your way.

[tazclone]

Since 2000 Pitt is 80-54 (.597) with 8 bowl games (3-4 with this year undecided)

Since 2000 ISU is 60-75 (.444) with 6 bowl games (3-3)

Pitt isn't a great football school. I've never said it was. It's just a little better than ISU. And I've said repeatedly that I didn't know if that little increase would be enough to entice Rhoads.

And I think being in a weak conference helps Pitts case when looking at which school you'd want to coach at.

Your stats back up what I was trying to say. Pitt is a marginal program whose"tradition" has long been forgotten by many. IMO- they don't have a leg up in the "tradition" category.
As far as the easier path...CPR does not seem like the guy that would bail in order to take the easy way out. Most coaches are competitive and do not shy from competition and if CPR wanted an easier route, he could have found one.

IMO- Pitt is a lateral job. Their budget is very similar, they paid Wanny less, the recruiting grounds are begining to produce less as the Rust belt continues to die. Pittsburgh is a hole. etc. The only way CPR would make that move is if they offered a ton more money and I don't see that happening.

[drmwevr08]

Isn't there some statistics that show the relationship between "success" and "years the head coach has been at a school?" It seems that so many of the guys who chase a big paycheck end up only getting it for a few years. Whereas the guys who stay in one place for a long time get the big paychecks, but over a longer period of time.

It would be interesting to find out some stats of the income of ex-head coaches once they are fired. I've got to think that if you are at a school paying you $1m, you are best to keep it for 25 years rather than jump at the first $1.5m that comes your way.

If you are good you will succeed and keep making more money. Not everyone does this but they all think they can.

[Clark]

Isn't there some statistics that show the relationship between "success" and "years the head coach has been at a school?" It seems that so many of the guys who chase a big paycheck end up only getting it for a few years. Whereas the guys who stay in one place for a long time get the big paychecks, but over a longer period of time.

It would be interesting to find out some stats of the income of ex-head coaches once they are fired. I've got to think that if you are at a school paying you $1m, you are best to keep it for 25 years rather than jump at the first $1.5m that comes your way.

Urban Meyer and Nick Saban are the two that come to mind.

In order for a coach to continue to move up the ladder he'd have to keep winning so I would assume the record of coaches who coached multiple teams for short periods of time would be pretty decent (Lane Kiffen excluded, he apparently has some dirt on somebody important)

Even RichRod who has been a complete disaster at UM still has a good overall coaching record.

[Clark]

Your stats back up what I was trying to say. Pitt is a marginal program whose"tradition" has long been forgotten by many. IMO- they don't have a leg up in the "tradition" category.
As far as the easier path...CPR does not seem like the guy that would bail in order to take the easy way out. Most coaches are competitive and do not shy from competition and if CPR wanted an easier route, he could have found one.

IMO- Pitt is a lateral job. Their budget is very similar, they paid Wanny less, the recruiting grounds are begining to produce less as the Rust belt continues to die. Pittsburgh is a hole. etc. The only way CPR would make that move is if they offered a ton more money and I don't see that happening.

You see, I think we're talking about two different things. You are talking as if you were planning on coaching at one of the two schools for 20 years. I'm talking as if you had to pick which school to coach at for five years in order to get the big job that really pays.

[RotatingColumn]

Rhoads will be here until a new generation of Cyclone fans get tired of 6-8 win seasons.

[cycloneworld]

Pitt is not a step up from ISU. It would be a pure lateral move.

How can you say that? Pitt is most definitely a step up from ISU.

Plus, win 8-10 games in the Big East most years and you are in contention for a BCS bid.

[tazclone]

You see, I think we're talking about two different things. You are talking as if you were planning on coaching at one of the two schools for 20 years. I'm talking as if you had to pick which school to coach at for five years in order to get the big job that really pays.

It is safe to assume we are talking about different things. I responded to a poster that stated Pitt has more tradition and is a step up. Their "tradition is overblown, their budget is barely more than ours, they pay the same, they reside in a dieing part of the US, they play in a lesser conference that could possibly lose BCS status. You responded with stats that back that up and went a different direction.

I am talking about a coach staying at the school long term. Mostly because I think CPR sees himself as DMac or Ferentz. I truly believe he wants to stay at ISU. With that said, he will leave if the resources are not enough to allow him to be successful. He will want to see improvements being planned and made that show the fans and University are dedicated to football and winning. We don't need Texas type of money to do this but we need to show improvement.

[tazclone]

How can you say that? Pitt is most definitely a step up from ISU.

Plus, win 8-10 games in the Big East most years and you are in contention for a BCS bid.

How so?

It may be easier to get a BCS bid but then you go there and get it handed to you and are exposed as a fraud.

[ca4cy]

How so?

It may be easier to get a BCS bid but then you go there and get it handed to you and are exposed as a fraud.

I'd guess any coach would say that they'd take that chance. If ISU would have won the north in '04 or '05, odds are we would have gotten waxed in the B12 championship game, but I would have loved the opportunity. You can't win it if you're not in it.

[tazclone]

I'd guess any coach would say that they'd take that chance. If ISU would have won the north in '04 or '05, odds are we would have gotten waxed in the B12 championship game, but I would have loved the opportunity. You can't win it if you're not in it.

Most coaches are competitive by nature. When CPR took this job, he knew it would be an uphill battle. If he wanted a job that would have been easy, he could have waited a couple of years and grabbed any Big East job that opened up. Quite honestly, a school shouldn't want a coach that makes a lateral job because it is "easier to win." Sounds like a coach looking to coast. CPR is not looking to coast

[kcclones]

Since 2000 Pitt is 80-54 (.597) with 8 bowl games (3-4 with this year undecided)

Since 2000 ISU is 60-75 (.444) with 6 bowl games (3-3)

Pitt isn't a great football school. I've never said it was. It's just a little better than ISU. And I've said repeatedly that I didn't know if that little increase would be enough to entice Rhoads.

And I think being in a weak conference helps Pitts case when looking at which school you'd want to coach at.

Not to mention Pitt has won 9 national championships and has had a Heisman winner. People need to put down the koolaid. They have much better tradition.

National Championships (9 claimed): 1915, 1916, 1918, 1929, 1931, 1934, 1936, 1937, 1976