QB Competition for 2011 season

**Drive4cy** · 12-13-2010, 12:56 PM

I'm not trying to be a hater towards Jantz, but his highlight reel in the other thread wasn't all that impressive to me. He was eying down receivers in a lot of the highlights and didn't seem interested in going through progressions. Granted, his offensive line didn't look great but he won't have great line play here, comparatively to the rest of the Big 12.

I still think it will be Tiller or Barnett. Years in the system and experience are a huge plus for Tiller. It's going to be very difficult for a JUCO QB to come in and beat Tiller out. Even though I'm a Tiller fan, I hope Jantz is the starter opening day because that will tell me he's pretty damn solid if Herman and Rhoads trust him.

I'm not counting out Capello. Sometimes guys like him who are under the radar tend to want it more and work a little harder. Wouldn't fall out of my chair if he was the guy.

**mramseyISU** · 12-13-2010, 12:57 PM

I think if Tiller learns to put a little touch on the ball he'll be the man. If can keeps throwing like he's playing catch with his little bothers trying to make them flinch He won't start more than 2 games.

**Steve** · 12-13-2010, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by heitclone

I honestly think people are reading way too much into the juco QB signing. I'm not saying Jantz won't get a shot to win the job but I don't think he was brought in because of a lack of faith in JT. Don't get me wrong the staff wouldnt have signed the kid if they didn't think he could help but I see it as a way to have a QB in every class and theres not much risk in only investing 2 years in him since we will also have QB's in each class behind him. But if this kid does come in and win the job over guys who've played in the system for 3 years we'll be in good shape.I know Jantz has experience with the spread (and that will be a big bonus for him)but not with specifically what this staff is looking for.

If anybody questions why the staff is committed to upgrading the QB position, you might want to go back and view some of the fall camp highlight videos in the Clone Zone archives. I won't say that a returning player can't improve his throwing results, but there are clearly some challenges to overcome.

Warning: Don't do this if you have an aversion to watching wobbly passes.

**heitclone** · 12-13-2010, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Clones21

I believe the reason Jantz commited is because he was told he would have a very good chance to start next year. At least thats what his uncle said.

Which is also what every juco QB was told. Look at KU, their juco QB was highly regarded and only saw time after injuries. I'm sure he came to Lawrence expecting to be a starter.

**FootballinTexas** · 12-13-2010, 03:24 PM

This is just speculation, but I have to guess it will be Tiller or Barnett also. He will get a shot at QB but Jantz is an insurance policy (3rd guy maybe 2nd if Tiller moves positions) and will maybe play another position. Tiller has the edge in experience...Barnett was this staff's first true QB recruit at ISU. He has that and the fact that he took more snaps in workouts this past season than any QB left on the roster because he ran all of the weekly scout team stuff plus the developmental (redshirt recruits) scrimmages on Sunday nights. According to Randy Peterson, he is doing special things in those scrimmages. Also, I have to agree with Drive4cy, I was overly impressed with the Jantz's highlight reel either. Not saying that Jantz is not talented and won't be an asset for ISU...but his tape just looked like high schoool football here in Texas not college football. Remember two weeks ago we were so excited about having Barnett, Capello, Daniels, Richardson, and possibly Grady competing with Tiller for the job. Funny how our minds change so quickly. You would think we just picked up the second coming of Cam Newton....minus the payout of course. I'm excited for the competition to begin!

**tazclone** · 12-13-2010, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Clones21

Why clueless? I am giving my opinion. Maybe your opinion is clueless.

Rhoads has said time and again that this system needs a QB that can make plays with his feet. Herman's offense at Rice required the QB to run. Clement had 154 carries in his SR year at rice. Just 13 fewer than their RB. He also averaged 4.5 YPC. People are ignoring fact when they think this system doesn't require the QB to run. It does and that is why we recruit QBs that can run as well as pass.

**cyismydog** · 12-13-2010, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by woodie

i have been out of the loop because i had a consulting job in costa rica.

is jantz a commit???? thank you... if he is a commit ,i'll put my dollars on jantz starting--city college of san francisco always has a good juco team.....

Just what kind of consulting do you do?

**xboxfever** · 12-13-2010, 05:30 PM

Clones21 is a 15-16 year old kid who has no clue what he is talking about. You shouldn't argue with him. Tiller is going to be the starter unless Jantz picks up the system very quickly and has a huge spring/fall. I think one of those two will be starting while the others will be watching from the sideline continuing their progression.

**snowcraig2.0** · 12-13-2010, 05:37 PM

I really don't know who it's going to be. I will say, I was not overly impressed by Steele's highlight video. He throws a rainbow ball that I think Big 12 corners and safeties will feast on. But, I could be wrong. Really, I think Tiller still has an edge, but all of the potential candidates have pro's and con's.

Tiller- Big game experience, Good size, good athlete, big arm, horribly inaccurate.
Capello- Decent athlete, okay size, some game experience, good accuracy, limited arm strength
Barnett- All the physical tools, lighting up the scout team, Herman's first full recruiting cycle QB, no experience
Daniels- Great size, great athlete, big arm, very raw, project type guy
Richardson- Prototypical passer, winner, probably not ready physically
Jantz- Big athlete, JUCO experience, arm strength a question, why couldn't he win a starting job in the WAC?

I am going to go against the grain, I think the staff is looking at Steele as an athlete, not a QB. I think the guy will be Tiller or Barnett, but then again, what the hell do I know?

**xboxfever** · 12-13-2010, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rural

Daniels will be a four year starter.

Their is no way he was recruited as a QB. With Jantz and Richardson committed as well as Grady possibly committing, that would leave 4 QBs in 1 class. I have never thought that kid was recruited as QB. No way.

**Clones21** · 12-13-2010, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by xboxfever

Clones21 is a 15-16 year old kid who has no clue what he is talking about. You shouldn't argue with him. Tiller is going to be the starter unless Jantz picks up the system very quickly and has a huge spring/fall. I think one of those two will be starting while the others will be watching from the sideline continuing their progression.

I'm pretty sure i'm not 15 or 16 years old. Why would you even say that?

**snowcraig2.0** · 12-13-2010, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by xboxfever

Their is no way he was recruited as a QB. With Jantz and Richardson committed as well as Grady possibly committing, that would leave 4 QBs in 1 class. I have never thought that kid was recruited as QB. No way.

I've read allot here and heard allot that the staff is intrigued by Daniels. He is definitely the dark horse in all of this.

**clonedude** · 12-13-2010, 06:10 PM

Face it people... it is Tiller's job to lose right now. He is the guy. If he wasn't, then why would you start him in the last game of the year with a bowl berth at stake if there was somebody better?

So he will be the #1 guy going in for sure. Capello or Barnett would have to improve a lot to beat out Tiller since they didn't do it this year. Who knows what we have in Jantz, Richardson, or Daniels... we'll see?

I'd put it like this right now....

40%- Tiller
20%- Jantz
15%- Capello
15%- Barnett
5%- Richardson
5%- Daniels

The only reason I put Jantz at 20% is because the staff must have seen something in him they really liked in order to bring in a JUCO QB. You don't bring in a JUCO if you don't honestly believe he has a real good shot at starting IMO.

**Tre4ISU** · 12-13-2010, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Clones21

I'm pretty sure i'm not 15 or 16 years old. Why would you even say that?

You asked. You say things that are consistent with what a 15-16 yo would say. Giving Tiller a 0% chance to start is one of them. It's just asinine, as Chris would say.

**Clones21** · 12-13-2010, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by yaman3

You asked. You say things that are consistent with what a 15-16 yo would say. Giving Tiller a 0% chance to start is one of them. It's just asinine, as Chris would say.

Chris isn't all that smart either. He's paid to sound like he knows what he's talking about.