Hiring away of McCarney Vs Rhoads

[cyhiphopp]

True. And CPR inherited a program that avoided a zero win by the skin of its teeth team and went to a bowl game. We are getting back to building Ia State football again.... No Dan's level wasnt that good that why its exciting now. I think we will continue to go beyond what people expect us to do. Everybody is putting us down already for next year and I think CPR will continue to put us over the hump...

Hopefully unlike mac when CPR gets us over the hump we will do better or at least meet expectations instead of falling to 4 wins...

It seems like CPR is trying to build up the team the right way. I believe he is planning to grow linemen and focus on recruiting speed and athletes.
The JuCo philosophy right now seems focused on filling some holes, but we don't seem to be completely dependent on a JuCo being an immediate starter. I think we can always find a use for a good JuCo at ISU. It helps make up for any previous recruiting misses and you can reep the benefits of late bloomers or academic risks who have straightened up at JuCo. Dmacs problem was that every year we were counting on a JuCo to come in and fill a HUGE hole. If the JuCo didn't make it or was a bust, the team took a huge hit.

It will take a few more years to solidify recruiting. Transition years really set it back so we wont see CPRs first full set of (non transition year) seniors until CPRs 5th or 6th (w/ redshirts) year. What gives me hope is that we have a good number of underclassmen making good contributions to the team. Having CPR recruits playing already is good for the future and shows that his recruits are panning out.

[cybsball20]

I think it's pretty funny how people take statments from an AD that someone was never a candidate and beleive them to be true... Of course the AD is going to say they got their first choice, they dont want to make themselves or the other candidates look bad... Alot of people like to beleive that McCarney was completely loyal to Iowa State, but he was most certainly looking to get out as soon as things turned around.

[ruxCYtable]

You mean to tell me the best coach in ISU history, the coach who resurrected the ISU football program, the coach who is the savior of ISU athletics, the coach who ISU could not afford to lose had multiple interviews for not one but for two separate head coaching football positions with other Div. 1 programs in/between/around 2000 - 2001 and there is not one article in the DSM Reg, ISU Daily, ESPN, Fox Sports or any of the other supposed schools papers all during a time of mass communication and information sharing.
Nothing, not one small mention that the ISU's savior was interviewing for another head coaching position.
Never mind TCU coming out and basically denying Mac was ever a candidate.
Please don't confuse being an early speculative candidate on paper with obtaining an official face to face interview.
CPR was considered a "candidate" for the Pitt position, but honestly do you really think he was.

Here's one that confirms he interviewed.

Patterson Likely Next TCU Coach - CBS News

[ruxCYtable]

You mean to tell me the best coach in ISU history, the coach who resurrected the ISU football program, the coach who is the savior of ISU athletics, the coach who ISU could not afford to lose had multiple interviews for not one but for two separate head coaching football positions with other Div. 1 programs in/between/around 2000 - 2001 and there is not one article in the DSM Reg, ISU Daily, ESPN, Fox Sports or any of the other supposed schools papers all during a time of mass communication and information sharing.
Nothing, not one small mention that the ISU's savior was interviewing for another head coaching position.
Never mind TCU coming out and basically denying Mac was ever a candidate.
Please don't confuse being an early speculative candidate on paper with obtaining an official face to face interview.
CPR was considered a "candidate" for the Pitt position, but honestly do you really think he was.

Another

TCU search committee meets with four coaches.(Knight Ridder Newspapers) - Knight Ridder/Tribune News Service | HighBeam Research - FREE trial

[ruxCYtable]

You mean to tell me the best coach in ISU history, the coach who resurrected the ISU football program, the coach who is the savior of ISU athletics, the coach who ISU could not afford to lose had multiple interviews for not one but for two separate head coaching football positions with other Div. 1 programs in/between/around 2000 - 2001 and there is not one article in the DSM Reg, ISU Daily, ESPN, Fox Sports or any of the other supposed schools papers all during a time of mass communication and information sharing.
Nothing, not one small mention that the ISU's savior was interviewing for another head coaching position.
Never mind TCU coming out and basically denying Mac was ever a candidate.
Please don't confuse being an early speculative candidate on paper with obtaining an official face to face interview.
CPR was considered a "candidate" for the Pitt position, but honestly do you really think he was.

and another

Patterson emerges at TCU | Lubbock Online | Lubbock Avalanche-Journal

[dbqhawk]

I still don't know what other schools are after CPR. Can anybody name one outside of Pitt flirting with the idea for a day? Thanks.

Right now, I do not think he is a hot commodity but if he brings them to a few more bowl games and keeps improving the team on an annual basis, he sure might become one.

[jaretac]

I came to the Ia State scene late in McCarney's tenure, in fact I will be the 1st to admit that I was one that wanted him to go so we could hire a "better" coach.

Well, finally, we are at least back to Dan's level.

Ok what I want to know is did other schools show as much interest in McCarney as they are in Rhoads? I don't remember them showing as much but I didn't pay this much attention to sports then either. It seems like they didn't since he went S Fl to be an assistant.

Oh and I want to take this opportunity to say Rhoads should be jealous of Dan because he will have an easier time finding recruits in N Tx. Good for you Dan re-earning your spot.

There was a lot of interest in Dan during the 2004 and 2005 seasons. I remember during 2005 he made a list of the 10 most attractive head coach candidates to move up. When you almost go winless in conference play just three years after last going winless and get fired your stock tends to go down.

[mikem]

I think it's pretty funny how people take statments from an AD that someone was never a candidate and beleive them to be true... Of course the AD is going to say they got their first choice, they dont want to make themselves or the other candidates look bad... Alot of people like to beleive that McCarney was completely loyal to Iowa State, but he was most certainly looking to get out as soon as things turned around.

This....I know that the AD TCU was forced to respond when mac was trying to get that contract extension that Gene Smith drug his feet on, and responded to the inquiries from the Iowa media....But it was a joke.

As far as your second point, ol' danny mac thought 2000 was going to get him out of here, and it didn't. The collapse of 2002 and the nightmare that was 2003 was the second nail. Then he was lauded for 2004, but 2005 was a huge letdown, and he knew that he was never going to get another job.

The deathnell was when Alvarez NEVER even considered him as a replacement, going with an untested position coach. The writing was on the wall.

When that happens, and you are making a million bucks a year, it is pretty easy to try to paint yourself as the face of a university.

[jaretac]

I think it's pretty funny how people take statments from an AD that someone was never a candidate and beleive them to be true... Of course the AD is going to say they got their first choice, they dont want to make themselves or the other candidates look bad... Alot of people like to beleive that McCarney was completely loyal to Iowa State, but he was most certainly looking to get out as soon as things turned around.

The thing is that BF has interviewed and looked at other schools and I think everyone would consider him completely loyal to ISU. I would expect Rhoads to seriously look at another school at some point too.

Just because you are keeping your eyes open doesn't mean your not loyal. Keep in mind that no matter how much they like the school, this is still a job. Sometimes looking other places is just to get a extension or raise. Sometimes you might just get tired of the administration. Other times you might just get tired of being in the same place for a long time. Although leaving a school might indicate a lack of loyalty, it might just mean that ISU is not the best place for them to work at anymore.

Does working at another University mean you can't be a fan of ISU? Does working in Eastern Washington and having a wife attending WSU mean I can't cheer for ISU? I literally quit the ISU athletic dept to take a job in Washington State and I'm still a huge ISU fan.

[Ace000087]

This thread is hilarious... I love Rhoads, but so far McCarney has accomplished more than Rhoads has at this point. Rhoads has had one 7+ win season, McCarney had 5.

Granted Rhoads is just getting started, but McCarney made Iowa State a pretty consistent winner with good seasons in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, and 2005 with some pretty damn memorable victories for the Iowa State program. He was a good coach, and was a good fit for the university at the time.

Do I like were Rhoads is going? Hell yes, but lets see what he can do before we get ahead of ourselves. Especially with this 9 game conference slate coming up. McCarney may not have a youtube video to back him up. But he was a good motivator of our football players and they loved to play for him from and saw him as kind of a father figure what I've been told.