I have to wonder

[jaretac]

It wont. Its been two years of much better ball and it is still with us.

[cyhiphopp]

You are never going to convince us that what he did was right. Its not about him leaving! Its about how he did it.

+3

I understand you thought up a new argument (Majors/Bruce). But you still dont seem to understand the situation.

Chizik didn't even tell his own mother, much less his AD, that he was bolting for Auburn. Then he spent mere minutes with his team and jumped on a plane. Chizik was NEVER commited to doing the hard work at ISU. He was told by the good old boys at Auburn to get head coaching experience so it would look better when they hired him. It was a backroom handshake deal from the start.
Chizik did the bare minimum at ISU. His two recruiting classes were full of busts and no shows. He recruited a bunch of JuCos in hopes of winning a few games right away rather than rebuilding from the bottom up. He mad abolutely no effort to recruit in Iowa, instead preferring to spend as much time recruiting in the south, which looks better on a resume.

There really aren't that many people on the board who blame Chizik for leaving for a job that doubled his salary. It's how he did it that matters. Couple that with the **** poor job he did while at ISU and you have the reason why we can't stand your posts reb.

[nileo]

I have no problem w/ him leaving for Auburn. No doubt a step up in college football ranks. As everyone has said, it is how he did it.
to answer original question: i do think all of them would have left.

Gene is gone, he won a NC. I'm happy for him. But i'm very happy with who is ISU's coach now. Win-win for everyone in my opinion.

[rebecacy]

+3

I understand you thought up a new argument (Majors/Bruce). But you still dont seem to understand the situation.

Chizik didn't even tell his own mother, much less his AD, that he was bolting for Auburn. Then he spent mere minutes with his team and jumped on a plane. Chizik was NEVER commited to doing the hard work at ISU. He was told by the good old boys at Auburn to get head coaching experience so it would look better when they hired him. It was a backroom handshake deal from the start.
Chizik did the bare minimum at ISU. His two recruiting classes were full of busts and no shows. He recruited a bunch of JuCos in hopes of winning a few games right away rather than rebuilding from the bottom up. He mad abolutely no effort to recruit in Iowa, instead preferring to spend as much time recruiting in the south, which looks better on a resume.

There really aren't that many people on the board who blame Chizik for leaving for a job that doubled his salary. It's how he did it that matters. Couple that with the **** poor job he did while at ISU and you have the reason why we can't stand your posts reb.

Nearly everything you say here is message board legend and has little to no basis in fact. A couple examples of the hyperbole, look at next years two deeps and who recruited them; the JUCO numbers were similar or less than any comparable class. Also, I would argue that a quick exit is the best way to go........limited defections and pulled the team together??? My only real point in all this is how easily anger clouds judgment. The guy just won a National Championship and coach of the year in all the polls. 53 years was a long drought for Auburn.

[jaretac]

I think for the most part Gene is a ok guy and believe it or not I do think that there are many coaches out there a lot worse than Chizik in the since of integrity. I do also believe that he handled the move without class.

I'm not saying that it makes him a horrible human being, but you can't act like he did nothing but wonderful things at ISU. This isn't about him leaving, we all thought he was going to leave; but we thought he had more integrity than he showed at his departure and something like that is hard to get over. It was like he kicked the dirt of his feet as he left and never looked back. No regret for not having won more games at ISU, or leaving us at one of the worst times recruiting wise. Fact is I heard him try to take partial credit for Rhoads bowl game last year.

That may not have been his intention. He may have just been showing us, once again, he wasn't ready to be a head coach at a place like ISU. However, it doesn't matter the intention, when you mis-handle the situation and never apologize it makes it hard for other to forgive and it brings into question the persons integrity.

[Clones85']

Nearly everything you say here is message board legend and has little to no basis in fact. A couple examples of the hyperbole, look at next years two deeps and who recruited them; the JUCO numbers were similar or less than any comparable class. Also, I would argue that a quick exit is the best way to go........limited defections and pulled the team together??? My only real point in all this is how easily anger clouds judgment. The guy just won a National Championship and coach of the year in all the polls. 53 years was a long drought for Auburn.

It's amazing that you claim to be a big supporter of Iowa State Athletics yet 75% of your posts are about an Ex coach who bolted from ISU after 2 seasons of 5-19 work. None of your posts are about the coach who is actually at Iowa State and is actually winning some football games and bowls. In fact the only time you post about Paul Rhoads is when you are idiotically claiming the team quit on him

[Cyclonestate78]

Nearly everything you say here is message board legend and has little to no basis in fact. A couple examples of the hyperbole, look at next years two deeps and who recruited them; the JUCO numbers were similar or less than any comparable class. Also, I would argue that a quick exit is the best way to go........limited defections and pulled the team together??? My only real point in all this is how easily anger clouds judgment. The guy just won a National Championship and coach of the year in all the polls. 53 years was a long drought for Auburn.

Quick exit = Limited defections?

From what I had heard the guy was trying to take players with him, both recruits and transfers. It wasn't bad enough that his gameday coaching would have been unacceptable in a 6th grade flag football league but then he has to go and stab a bunch of 18 to 21 year old kids in the back that he had told he would be there for. The level of douchbaggery he committed was shocking. Pretty hard to find another coach with that lack of class.

[jaretac]

Nearly everything you say here is message board legend and has little to no basis in fact. A couple examples of the hyperbole, look at next years two deeps and who recruited them; the JUCO numbers were similar or less than any comparable class. Also, I would argue that a quick exit is the best way to go........limited defections and pulled the team together??? My only real point in all this is how easily anger clouds judgment. The guy just won a National Championship and coach of the year in all the polls. 53 years was a long drought for Auburn.

Do you really think Chizik was thinking this when he left? Yes negatives can turn into positives but it doesn't make the action any more right. I can fail to put ice melt down on the sidewalks, a person fall, resulting in a lawsuit that helps pay for that persons bad credit, resulting in a much better life for said person; does that make it right for me to not do my job? You know the answer to this, you are grasping at straws.

Also, this isn't about whether he is a good coach or not (leastwise not at Auburn), this is about what he did at Iowa State.

[rebecacy]

It's amazing that you claim to be a big supporter of Iowa State Athletics yet 75% of your posts are about an Ex coach who bolted from ISU after 2 seasons of 5-19 work. None of your posts are about the coach who is actually at Iowa State and is actually winning some football games and bowls. In fact the only time you post about Paul Rhoads is when you are idiotically claiming the team quit on him

Let's not make this personal '85. Our defense, most of the offense and the opposing coaches all knew that packing the middle, stopping the run and forcing AA (or his replacement) to pass was THE game plan to beat us. And it worked to perfection.

[Clones85']

Let's not make this personal '85. Our defense, most of the offense and the opposing coaches all knew that packing the middle, stopping the run and forcing AA (or his replacement) to pass was THE game plan to beat us. And it worked to perfection.

I'm not making it personal. I am making an observation based on all your posts. They are all about Chizik. A guy that was 5-19 at ISU with losses to Toledo, UNI, and Kent State. Horrible horrible losses. And than you also call out our current coach who has shown more passion about ISU than the previous coach and who also is winning at ISU unlike the previous coach. I guess where it becomes personal is me questioning your loyalty to Iowa State due to your posts.

[sel4cy]

If Majors or Bruce had been asked by Pitt, Tenn or Ohio State to leave Ames after only two years (and little success) would they have done the same thing chiz did and go to an established power job??

Let it go cykindatown let it go!

[weR138]

If Majors or Bruce had been asked by Pitt, Tenn or Ohio State to leave Ames after only two years (and little success) would they have done the same thing chiz did and go to an established power job??

Yes.

End Thread.

[bfross]

Nearly everything you say here is message board legend and has little to no basis in fact. A couple examples of the hyperbole, look at next years two deeps and who recruited them; the JUCO numbers were similar or less than any comparable class.

Chizik didn't go JUCO heavy in 2008, but there are only 7 guys left from that class anyway.

Out of the kids that committed to ISU while Gene was still on the job, there are only 17 left in the program from the 2007-2009 recruiting classes. I'm not counting kids that committed after Rhoads took the job because you never know if the kid would still be at ISU.

I count 12, maybe 14 of Chizik guys in the 2 deeps for next year (listed below) out of the 44 or so guys in the two deeps. Even if all 17 Chizik recruits are in the two deeps, that is still a lot less than half and that is from almost three classes vs. just over two for Rhoads. McCarney/Rhoads guys made up half of the two deeps last year as well.

KO
Bykowski
Darks
Hammerschmidt
Laing
Mahoney
Klein
Lenz
Lichtenberg
maybe Moore
Reeves
maybe Spear
Washington
Reynolds

[Cyballz]

why not just lock these threads? We've been over this and it is obvious that rebecacy is a sad, pathetic human being. We don't need any more evidence of it, just shut this **** down.

[LonoClone]

why not just lock these threads? We've been over this and it is obvious that rebecacy is a sad, pathetic human being. We don't need any more evidence of it, just shut this **** down.

I agree, except for the "sad & pathetic" part.




No wait, I mean especially the "sad & pathetic" part. Also, I've heard he smells like olives. How does that happen? How does a person pick up an olive aroma? It seems to me that that's not something that can just happen by accident. A person would have to actively try to smell like olives. And that raises the question of why would someone desire to smell like olives? What is happening in his life, where an aroma like that would be beneficial? It's a conundrum, I tells ya.