Chris, I have to completely disagree about Tiller winning QB spot

**Omaha Cy** · 03-25-2011, 12:57 PM

If Tiller can improve some and get defenses to actually respect his throwing ability...as much so as they did with AA then perhaps it opens up things so Tiller can effectively run. It appears coaches don't fear his passing ability, and therefore can bottle him up as a runner.

**Cydkar** · 03-25-2011, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisMWilliams

My point was/is: IF JT somehow wins the job, that means that he's improved immensely over the last year.

It doesn't necessarily mean that at all.

Counterpoint: If somebody else wins the job it means he's better (per the coaches) than Tiller whether Tiller improved immensely or not.

If Tiller wins the job it doens't mean we are doomed either. He may have improved per CW's hope.

**Win5002** · 03-25-2011, 12:57 PM

I think turning Jerome Tiller into a proficient throwing QB has about the same chance as turning Shaquille O'Neal into a 80% free throw shooter. It isn't going to happen.

**Cyhart** · 03-25-2011, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisMWilliams

My point was/is: IF JT somehow wins the job, that means that he's improved immensely over the last year, which would be a very good thing. I never said that I thought he would. In fact, I believe in that same interview I said that I thought Jantz would be the starter.

No, Tiller hasn't been great so far in his Iowa State career. But competition sometimes sparks guys and up until now, this has always been Austen's team.

Why not root for a guy to defy the odds and become the quarterback that we all hoped he'd be from day one?

I hope that Steele Jantz is the next Seneca Wallace. I really do. But what if he isn't? You need more than one guy and if Tiller goes out there and proves to the coaching staff that he has grown and that he is the best man for the job, why is that a bad thing?

That was my point.

We dont know that. Right now we dont know how good Jantz is. So at this moment in time, imagining Tiller as the starter would more than likely mean that Jantz isnt as good as we are hoping, rather than that Tiller has made that much improvement.

**cyclonespiker33** · 03-25-2011, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneG

So JT being named the starter is going to bring down ticket sales even before a game is played simply because people think they know more than the coaches? That's dumb.

People are going to buy tickets because it's the cyclones on the field. I'm not saying that people know more than the coaches. I'm saying that there is a chance (maybe quite small) that Steele will be an All Big 12 QB based on the fact he was a high quality QB where he played last year. But if you look at how JT played last year, there is a significantly smaller chance that he will be an all Big 12 QB

**ChrisMWilliams** · 03-25-2011, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Frak

I think that Chris is putting too much faith in AA's opinion, which is certainly biased. Also, he's holding Jantz's level of play constant while allowing Tiller to improve dramatically. My opinion is, it's impossible for Tiller to improve that much. Here's a QB who hasn't gotten much better in three years, but now we expect him to blow up and be 3x better than he was in one off-season? I mean, here's a player that if you count three starts plus UNI 2010, the last quarter of CU 2010 and the second half of Baylor 2009, you're going to get an average of 8-9 offensive points per game when he was playing. That's vs good BCS schools (at Nebraska) average BCS schools (CU and Baylor) down to 1AA schools. Same bogged down offense that can't sustain drives and puts the defense on the field too much. And you are going to tell me that all of a sudden, over one off-season, poof! he's going to become a winning BCS QB??? I mean, what, has he just not taken things seriously until now? Did knowing that AA was going to start allow him to skip film sessions and ignore criticism of his footwork and release??

I don't know how good Steele Jantz is, but my opinion is that if he is not better than Tiller (no matter how much he's improved in one off-season), then ISU is in a world of hurt this fall.

You don't have to believe me, but you should when I say that my opinion is based off of WAY more than what Austen thinks.

**cysocool** · 03-25-2011, 01:04 PM

With Tiller we'll see better tempo than we've seen the past couple years. With JT and Shontrelle Johnson in the backfield we'll have a much quicker backfield, so with solid line play and if JT can complete those quick underneath passes- watch out... I see JT and SJ running loose and moving the chains against most teams, how JT handles the redzone and pressure from the top defenses will determine whether we take the next step.

**Ficklone02** · 03-25-2011, 01:04 PM

The troubling thing to me is that JT does not appear to make the correct decision quickly on each play. I don't think that's something you can greatly improve upon in the offseason.....I think the mental aspect of the game is generally something you "get", or just "don't get it". Sometimes guys improve in that area, but not commonly. I just want the qb who can make the correct reads quickly to deliver the ball to the right guy.

**ChrisMWilliams** · 03-25-2011, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Cydkar

It doesn't necessarily mean that at all.

Counterpoint: If somebody else wins the job it means he's better (per the coaches) than Tiller whether Tiller improved immensely or not.

If Tiller wins the job it doens't mean we are doomed either. He may have improved per CW's hope.

Solid point. May the best man win.

**RustShack** · 03-25-2011, 01:05 PM

I see bad things in the future if we don't have a QB on the roster who can beat out Tiller. Also, no coaches are perfect.. They don't always start the best players. There's a story about someone getting hurt and his backup being great every year.

**cycloneG** · 03-25-2011, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonespiker33

People are going to buy tickets because it's the cyclones on the field. I'm not saying that people know more than the coaches. I'm saying that there is a chance (maybe quite small) that Steele will be an All Big 12 QB based on the fact he was a high quality QB where he played last year. But if you look at how JT played last year, there is a significantly smaller chance that he will be an all Big 12 QB

Are people only going to be happy with the quarterback if he's all-conference?

**cyclonespiker33** · 03-25-2011, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneG

Are people only going to be happy with the quarterback if he's all-conference?

No, but given a choice i'm going to pick the all-conference player over the middle-of-the-pack player. The most important thing is wins. If Tiller can produce that better than Jantz, I want him starting

**Clones21** · 03-25-2011, 01:10 PM

It's still early in spring guys. Lots of time for Jantz to pass Tiller. And i think it will happen before game #1. You did notice that Jantz was automaticly the #2 QB going into practice right? He will be #1 before too long.

**Cyclonestate78** · 03-25-2011, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Tedcyclone

because if tiller is the best qb, then most people lose hope that we are going to keep getting better. we have to have a really acurate, big time playmaker at qb.. if not we are going to be avg. esp with our schedule. if we could run the ball 90% of the time then fine, doesnt matter... but we do not have the defense, at least that we have seen in past to do this.

I agree here and will take it a step above this. If Tiller wins the starting QB job we better install the triple option offense real quick or we are in big trouble.

**Clones21** · 03-25-2011, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78

I agree here and will take it a step above this. If Tiller wins the starting QB job we better install the triple option offense real quick or we are in big trouble.

If Tiller is our starter then we better install a whole new offense, because he can't throw worth a **** from what i've seen.