Auburn. One step closer to losing their

Auburn is dirty? In other news, the sky is blue

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Originally Posted by ruxCYtable

Correct. Those who know me will tell you I'm a funny, funny man. Everyone except my wife.

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Give me a break, do something other with your life than correct people on THEIR grammar on a message board. :mad::skeptical:

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Originally Posted by Cy4Patriots

Give me a break, do something other with your life than correct people on THEIR grammar on a message board. :mad::skeptical:

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Yeah, I'm the only person on this board who has ever done it. And I never do anything else.

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Originally Posted by ruxCYtable

Losing where?

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I chortled.

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Originally Posted by vmbplayer

They won't open that the Newton thing back up though because they already closed the investigation. It's pretty obvious to everyone but the NCAA that Auburn has and continues to utilize pay for play. I just don't see how this report changes anything. They may have to vacate a couple SEC west titles and one SEC title and some bowls from that era. No one is going to care, and it won't change anything (I doubt that will even happen).

Short of a video of the coaching staff handing an auburn player a wad of cash next to nothing will come of this.

Hope I'm wrong. I hope the NCAA brings the hammer on blatant cheating, but I doubt it.

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Even with a video, I don't know how much would happen other than a few lost scholarships and a stern slap on the wrist. I think more and more, the NCAA itself is becoming pay to play and I don't know that as an organization, they have the cajones to do anything about it. (or the cojones for that matter.)

As rampant as it seems cheating is becoming, some school needs to be made an example of.

While it needs to be one of the big boys that this happens to, I see it as much more likely that they will come down hard on a small school for a lesser offense in hopes of scaring the big schools away from cheating.

Unfortunately, it would seem that the NCAA is afraid of a school like Auburn taking back their ball (of money) and going home.

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Originally Posted by Knownothing

It was under Tubbervilles watch. However, Do you think they just magically stopped doing this when Cheezdick was hired?

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Unfortunately, at this point there is little more than innuendo out there for evidence. The most concrete piece of evidence available right now was basically dismissed by the NCAA (proof that Cecil had shopped Cam around).

Now the NCAA isn't a court of law, and can act on that innuendo if it so chooses. But I think it's been made clear that when it comes to this, the NCAA needs irrefutable evidence that Cam knew about the pay-for-play before they actually do something about it. They're just burying their collective heads in the sand until it's no longer possible to do so.

And while this story is interesting, and may cost Auburn it's undefeated season in '04 (possibly), it has no impact on this year's title. It's hardly been a secret that Auburn has been doing this crap for decades, so it's not some eye-opening moment for the NCAA.

Just to be clear. Tuberville DOES NOT pay players at Texas Tech. However, any huge piles of money they find lying around Lubbock is theirs to keep.

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Originally Posted by tm3308

Unfortunately, at this point there is little more than innuendo out there for evidence. The most concrete piece of evidence available right now was basically dismissed by the NCAA (proof that Cecil had shopped Cam around).

Now the NCAA isn't a court of law, and can act on that innuendo if it so chooses. But I think it's been made clear that when it comes to this, the NCAA needs irrefutable evidence that Cam knew about the pay-for-play before they actually do something about it. They're just burying their collective heads in the sand until it's no longer possible to do so.

And while this story is interesting, and may cost Auburn it's undefeated season in '04 (possibly), it has no impact on this year's title. It's hardly been a secret that Auburn has been doing this crap for decades, so it's not some eye-opening moment for the NCAA.

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What the NCAA determined was the Cecil was shopping his son around and Cam knew nothing of it. They never determined that any money ever changed hands. If they had, then they would have come down on Auburn. As it is, the only school that was the problem in this case was Miss St. for offering the money as I believe they self reported. Now, if it were discovered that Auburn boosters did in fact pay money, then I don't see how the NCAA could still ignore it. It doesn't matter whether Cam knew or not, the Auburn boosters would be the reason for sanctions.

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Originally Posted by Clonehomer

What the NCAA determined was the Cecil was shopping his son around and Cam knew nothing of it. They never determined that any money ever changed hands. If they had, then they would have come down on Auburn. As it is, the only school that was the problem in this case was Miss St. for offering the money as I believe they self reported. Now, if it were discovered that Auburn boosters did in fact pay money, then I don't see how the NCAA could still ignore it. It doesn't matter whether Cam knew or not, the Auburn boosters would be the reason for sanctions.

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There was evidence, just not enough to prove it. It was reported that cam said to a recruiter for another SEC school (not 100% which one thought it was Ole Miss) that he wanted to go there but the money was just too much.

And that testimony wasn't enough because there wasn't any more evidence to back it up.

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Originally Posted by Cy4Patriots

Give me a break, do something other with your life than correct people on THEIR grammar on a message board. :mad::skeptical:

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Originally Posted by ruxCYtable

Yeah, I'm the only person on this board who has ever done it. And I never do anything else.

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Originally Posted by Clonehomer

What the NCAA determined was the Cecil was shopping his son around and Cam knew nothing of it. They never determined that any money ever changed hands. If they had, then they would have come down on Auburn. As it is, the only school that was the problem in this case was Miss St. for offering the money as I believe they self reported. Now, if it were discovered that Auburn boosters did in fact pay money, then I don't see how the NCAA could still ignore it. It doesn't matter whether Cam knew or not, the Auburn boosters would be the reason for sanctions.

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They ruled that Cam had violated his amateur status, even though he "didn't know" about his dad shopping him around. Yet they allowed him to play anyway. That's been the hardest piece of evidence in the whole case, and it was basically dismissed.

There has been nothing, not in the HBO story either, about Newton taking money. It's all under Tuberville's watch. Anything regarding Newton is still just innuendo at this point.

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Originally Posted by brett108

I don't really care what Auburn is doing. We don't have to play them and will only have the off-chance of coming against them in a bowl game. TTU on the other hand is now being helmed by the same coach who oversaw this pay to play deal and who is somehow bringing in elite level players to the wasteland of Western Texas, getting them to ignore programs like the University of Texas. We play them every year so I would hope this would raise some eyebrows on what he is doing there.

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There is one thing I can say for sure... Bobby Lowder and his crew of mercinary boosters are behind this whole thing. Now nobody can say for sure if the head coach is involved in it or not. All Lowder would need is a few assistant coaches, or trainers... a few guys with easy access to the players and that is all they need. Those positions have the highest turnover rates so getting involved in the scheme with the guys like Lowder that run the show at Auburn would be a little more job security for them. Their silence can always be bought after the fact and if they admitted that they were involved in the scheme would end any hopes they would have of ever getting another coaching job. A head coach would be much harder to get rid of then assistants, etc...

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Originally Posted by intrepid27

I was always under the impression Terry Bowden was pretty much run out of town at Auburn when he tried to reign in the boosters and their recruting practices.

I know boosters are not school employees but only leverage the NCAA has is to penalize the school. I say "get a rope and hang the ********".

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At Auburn things are a bit different. Bobby Lowder and his gang have positions at Auburn on the Board to Trustees. These guys are making decisions that not only affect athletics but the entire university and are some of the most corrupt guys in college athletics history.

The fact that they can hold seats on the board of trustees is a head scratcher for sure. :eek:

Let's be honest about this. The NCAA will be made out to look like a bunch of fools should anything about Auburn surface that would adversely affect their Heisman winner and championship season.

The NCAA has every reason to look the other way.

Any success at Auburn that can be claimed to have come to Auburn as a result of the alleged infractions can be stripped away. I'm sure it will depend on how aggressive the NCAA wants to be on enforcement (and the people on this board are correct, the NCAA hasn't shown a stomach in recent history for being aggressive when it comes to the SEC or the Texas schools).

With Cam's situation, I've always wondered if there was conspiracy within the SEC to cover up what does go on in that conference with respect to certain schools, and that Mississippi State got some deal for keeping quiet.