Just food for thought, but for all of you that do think Chizik cheated at Auburn, wouldn't it make sense that he probably did here too?
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Just food for thought, but for all of you that do think Chizik cheated at Auburn, wouldn't it make sense that he probably did here too?
Who is to say Chizik was the one that cheated at Auburn? I'm sure it would be much easier for a rich booster to arrange a pay for play deal than it would be for their head coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrossCyed
They probably did the same thing as SMU, the coach looks the other way and the boosters run the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsmith86
Exactly. What you really have to ask is if Auburn was cheating before Chizik got there. If they weren't, then yes, I am willing to accept that there might have been the possibility of cheating here. (Although, I can't really see it, with the record that he compiled as head coach here.) But if Auburn was cheating before he got there, I think things probably went a little like SenorCy suggested. I would also imagine it is a whole lot easier for a coach to cheat in a culture of cheating. Cough...SEC...cough,cough.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorCy
The cheating is institutionalized there, and he was hired to look the other way, and not question anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrossCyed
Now while it wouldnt surprise me if theres some lower level stuff going on here (i dont believe any school, even ours, is 100% clean), but we dont have nearly the network of financial resources that schools like Auburn and the rest of the SEC do.
That's what I would think. Even if we were paying guys, it seems like our budget would only get them to Burger King, maybe even Arby's. I can't imagine the same culture existing here, but I can imagine that we're not perfect. I find perfection harder to imagine in something that seems to have a lot of shades of grey.Quote:
Originally Posted by alarson
The difference is that ISU does not have the money or the alums that Auburn does. I just don't see where the money would come from to cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrossCyed
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Originally Posted by CrossCyed
We have a hard enough time getting someone to donate 200K for the endzone. Where are we going ot find enough cash for a Heisman trophy QB?Quote:
Originally Posted by CyCloned
Chizik has spent time at Auburn and he knows the drill. The bottom line is that the boosters take care of everything. As long as Chizik doesn't know the specifics of the pay for play system at Auburn he can stand up all day long in front of the press and say the allegations are "Pure garbage" and still be able to sleep at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by alarson
Every corrupt organization needs a "clean" guy to be the face of the organization. A guy that knows the basics of what is going on but doesn't know any specifics.
Auburn learned their lesson with Terry Bowden. Bowden was furious with the constant meddling of the boosters in his program and he was forced out because he wasn't going to put up with it. He was bought out of his contract and given the unusual request to sign a confidentiality agreement about speaking to anyone about the Auburn football program. Pretty strange to force a coach to sign one of those don't you think?
Yeah, I think they do their best to ensure Eugene retains his plausible deniability. He just has to look the other way and not "find out" about anything and he can honestly say he is unaware of the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78
If he cheated at ISU, he did a real **** poor job of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrossCyed
He was at Auburn before and knows how the good ole boy system works down there. As someone already alluded to in this thread, he was hired to do what he did when he was at Auburn last time, look the other way. Or in other words, don't mess with the system. Anyone see Real Sports on HBO recently? They were interviewing former Auburn players and boosters routinely offered money in various forms including cash handshakes. Other schools that players admitted to having boosters pay them were Ohio State and LSU. Auburn even outbid OSU for one player. On the program they said college basketball is worse than football. It is the way the game is played today. If FH wants to taste a final 4 he has to play on the edge. Everyone else is and others are quite a bit over the edge.
I don't think he did. He came to ISU for one reason and that was to get his feet wet as a head coach. Does anyone think Chizik came to ISU with any intentions of actually trying to build a winning football program? Not a chance. He needed a couple of seasons under his belt as a head coach to keep the Auburn fans from stringing the Auburn AD up from the trees at Toomer's Corner for hiring a guy with no head coaching experience. The Boosters at Auburn knew Chizik was a good ole boy from his past days with the program there and that with the amount of talent they were going to buy to put on the field there was no way any coach could blow it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CYphyllis
Auburn hired a guy that wouldn't ask questions about how they landed top talent. He knew the score when he returned to Auburn and the boosters knew he'd be cool with their shenanigans. If ISU had Auburn's boosters we'd have been in the hunt for $Cam Newton too.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrossCyed
To answer your question; if he could've he would've at ISU but we don't have that kind of cash or moral turpitude.
The Chizik to Auburn plan was in place when Chizik took the job at ISU. Lowder and other Auburn boosters got into trouble with "Jetgate" when they were flying around to meet other coaches about taking the Auburn job prior to Tubberville being forced out. Tubberville caught them red handed. It was no secret that Lowder and his pals disliked Tubberville. They needed to find a guy that knew the game down there, could keep his mouth shut, and had some experience as a head coach. Iowa State was an easy mark for Chizik. We are in a power conference, we needed a coach and there is no way we would pass on a guy with Chiziks credentials (although they were inflated by having 5 star talent at every position while at Texas & Auburn), and ISU has literally no history of doing things any way other then on the up and up.Quote:
Originally Posted by weR138
If you ran a football program that was consistently in the top 20 programs in all of college football for the past couple of decades would you consider hiring a guy that went 5-19 in his only 2 years of previous head coaching experience? Not a chance in hell. Would USC have hired Chizik? Would Florida have hired Chizik? Would Michigan have hired Chizik? Would Notre Dame have hired Chizik? Would Nebraska have hired Chizik? Those schools wouldn't even have given the guy a look. So ask yourself why Auburn would have hired him for any reason other then that he was the guy the boosters had hand selected prior to his 2 years at ISU to take over for Tubberville once they forced him out? Anyone surprised that Eugene was all about ISU for about a week after he got hired and then all of a sudden didn't care anymore? He knew he wasn't going to be here long and just had to endure his time at ISU with a fake smile on his face. He was just waiting for that phone call and after 2 years he got it.