Sounds like Tiller will most likely be #1 going into summer ball.

[snowcraig2.0]

All I can say is that if Barnett and Capello have really not got an opportunity with the first team, I am somewhat disappointed. I would have at least given each of them some burn. Who knows what could happen.

[clonedude]

I have to side with FootballinTexas a bit in this argument. Since when was this ever a 4 man competition? JT and SJ have been getting basically all of the snaps with the first two teams. Why?

Capello and Barnett have been in the system a lot longer than Jantz... so why wasn't Jantz #4 when he got here? Why did he start out at #2 from day one? That isn't fair to JC or JB at all IMO.

It sounds to me like Barnett deserves some snaps with the #1 team from all the practice reports.

If your offensive coordinator says about one of his QB's that... "he's proven he can run the ball"... that is not exactly a compliment at all in my book. Herman said that Tiller's been better than he expected he would be, and that Capello and Barnett have been solid. And in regards to Jantz, all he says is that he can run the ball. That isn't a good sign for Jantz right now IMO.... because I doubt if he can beat out Shontrelle, Woody, White, or Duck at running the football?

Seriously though, that's about as bad of a compliment you can get as a QB... unless you're Tommy Frazier from Nebraska.

I think what we can truly take away from all the spring talk thus far is that nobody has stepped up and taken this job. That is not a good sign IMO. We really do have 4 average to below-average QB's on the roster right now most likely? Hopefully one of them steps up their game and grabs this spot. Personally, I hope it's Capello or Barnett since they have more years to play. But they need to be given a fair chance. Bringing in a JUCO and annointing him to the #2 spot isn't fair IMO. I know I'll hear it for saying that, but it isn't. Any way you look at it, it's not.

[Yes13]

I have to side with FootballinTexas a bit in this argument. Since when was this ever a 4 man competition? JT and SJ have been getting basically all of the snaps with the first two teams. Why?

Capello and Barnett have been in the system a lot longer than Jantz... so why wasn't Jantz #4 when he got here? Why did he start out at #2 from day one? That isn't fair to JC or JB at all IMO.

It sounds to me like Barnett deserves some snaps with the #1 team from all the practice reports.

If your offensive coordinator says about one of his QB's that... "he's proven he can run the ball"... that is not exactly a compliment at all in my book. Herman said that Tiller's been better than he expected he would be, and that Capello and Barnett have been solid. And in regards to Jantz, all he says is that he can run the ball. That isn't a good sign for Jantz right now IMO.... because I doubt if he can beat out Shontrelle, Woody, White, or Duck at running the football?

Seriously though, that's about as bad of a compliment you can get as a QB... unless you're Tommy Frazier from Nebraska.

I think what we can truly take away from all the spring talk thus far is that nobody has stepped up and taken this job. That is not a good sign IMO. We really do have 4 average to below-average QB's on the roster right now most likely? Hopefully one of them steps up their game and grabs this spot. Personally, I hope it's Capello or Barnett since they have more years to play. But they need to be given a fair chance. Bringing in a JUCO and annointing him to the #2 spot isn't fair IMO. I know I'll hear it for saying that, but it isn't. Any way you look at it, it's not.

This staff is pretty hush-hush. Even if one is the clear cut favorite, I doubt they would tell anyone.

[RustShack]

Maybe him being able to run is a compliment, because they know he can pass.

[Al_4_State]

No, 1 TD. 2 field goals from Mahoney, a rushing TD, and 2 INT TDs IIRC. The TD drive was a whole 40 yards or something like that.

I'm just talking about TDs scored when he's on the field, not TDs he actually scores.

[tazclone]

Really? None?

FWIW- Capello's dad said on here last year that James was disappointed with not getting any snaps in practice last yearand that he was basically holding a clipboard or taking a knee. Or something of that nature. I understand that as Arnaud and Tiller needed the extra snaps. But the people that say that James has had an opportunity to show what he has, last year are a little off.

What I find funny are the people that say that Tiller could greatly improve(I don't disagree) with an off season basically dismiss that concept with Barnett and Capello. It is possible that Barnett and Capello could have improved over the off season as well but it does not look like they have had the same opportunity as Tiller and Jantz. I understand bringing Jantz in and giving him some extra snapsso he can catch up, especially if you feel he has the talent. He is a JUCO and his time is limited. But if you tell the guys that it is a fair competition then you better deliver.

[tazclone]

Wake me up when the leaves change color.

So your going to miss the first 3-4 games?

[tazclone]

How does this refute my statement. There is a cost to giving all players equal snaps in order to remove all doubt that said players are not starters. Usually a quick heuristic approach can reduce much of this cost by giving the snaps to those who exhibit they are better.

Whoever is taking snaps with the 2nd-4th team needs to play well enough that there is the doubt by CPR and Co that they have the "right" guy out-weighs the cost of reducing the snaps. Like I said earlier, if playing with the 2nd and 3rd team is that much of a handicap to player X or Y, I am confident that spreading the snaps around will result in a decrease in starter performance (regardless of who that may be).



He is definitely distorting all comments made on the Jantz and the QBs. CPR never said that only Jantz is expected to push all other QB's by being the 4th string guy- nor have they said Jantz has failed to provide competition (push/pull/whatever) this Spring. Taking that JB and JC are gaining as JB and JC are better is crazy.

You said that if you distribute snaps evenly then you limit the "starter's" ability to learn the offense and get better. The problem with that is is supposedly a 4 man race and an open competition so you don't know who the starter is at this time. If you have separated two guys out then it isn't an open competition. You have already decided it is one of two guys.
So either it is not an open competition where all four have had an equal shot

OR

You are limiting the ability of two guys to show what they have because they are limited in snaps.

And if people think that playing with 3rd and 4th stringers does not limit a person they are crazy. Would Tiller look better or worse throwing to 3rd and 4th string receivers, behind the 3rd and 4th string line, etc.

I don't go to practice, I don't see the scrimmages so I am just meerly pointing something out. It is possible that Barnett and Capello are a lot worse than Tiller and Jantz. FootballinTexas does see the scrimmages as do others and from their comments(taking into accoutn favoritism), it seems as it is a two man race and always has been.

[Bigguns]

There is a lot more to practice than reps during team. If a guy doesn't do some drills right, or make the right reads during 7 on 7, has a weaker arm or doesn't run well enough, fumbles... All these things can exclude a guy from reps with the #1's that doesn't mean they are not getting a fair shot or a chance. That means they are not good enough.

[Cybyassociation]

Ok it is FACT time for all of you who think you know everything that happens in the locker room and on the field

This is all first hand knowledge of seeing and knowing personally!!!!

Fact: UNI game.......Tiller had 2 fractured ribs from the week before, tore a cartlidge in his knee in the first half of the UNI game. Did not start the UNI game because of the ribs, AA hand was hurt and was not going to play, but JT could not go...no choice when AA got hurt but to limit things JT could do since the fracture ribs where on his throwing side and it was hurting him like hell to throw... He had surgery on his knee the following monday!!! All Fact!!!!

Let me see you throw the ball with two fractured ribs and run with a torn cartlidge all day!!!

Fact: Capello was back up for TT game and none of you knew it

Fact: Tiller did not go in on the UTAH game because of his knee was still swolen so that is why Capello went in!!!!

So unless you know facts and have been inside the players locker room or in the coaches office and know what is really going on stop trying to be the all know it all person when you really do not know anything!!!!

Let all the QB's battle this out and the coaches will play the best QB that is ready!!!!!

And before you say CPR never said anything in press , you really think he is going to let the world know that his #1 and #2 QB are hurt in the same game!!!!!!!

Everyone watch out for Big Mark...I'm sorry Big Mark, but I'm not buying a whole lot of what you are selling. AA was going to at least try to play the UNI game. Any sign of pain or another injury and he gone. Once Tiller came in, his objective (as it has always been with Jerome), was to not put the team in a position to lose. JT did not start that game because Austen was able to start. He was medically cleared to play. Do you really think AA wouldn't play if he was cleared to? Come on now.

Jerome did have some work done on his knee, but to say surgery makes it sound like he had reconstructive surgery on his knee. I believe he got his knee scoped and had the cartilage repaired. Not minor work, but nothing that doesn't happen to athletes often. "None of you knew about it!"...Wrong again sir. Tiller was wearing gloves those two games that he was sidelined for. Because he was going to be a receiver!? No. Because he wanted to keep his hands warm because he wasn't going to get in due to an injury. It wasn't rocket science to see that Jerome was injured.

You have some nice facts, but also some skewed facts to make things out to be worse than they are. Jerome is a decent quarterback in my mind but I've always felt the staff has had him play safe and to not put the team in a position to lose. I don't think ISU can afford that sort of strategy this season if they are looking to turn the tide in the BigXII.

[Wesley]

The way the qbs get banged up, we need to have three that are capable. AA was constantly getting banged up. JT was banged up. The days of Jeff Savior at qb are soon humbled by injury. The pros are the same state of affairs. You need backups whether you want them or not.

Seems like AA had three games where the playcalling was very limited so that he could avoid injury. It hamstrung our offense to protect him in a 15 pound flak jacket.

[hoosman]

The way the qbs get banged up, we need to have three that are capable. AA was constantly getting banged up. JT was banged up. The days of Jeff Savior at qb are soon humbled by injury. The pros are the same state of affairs. You need backups whether you want them or not.

Seems like AA had three games where the playcalling was very limited so that he could avoid injury. It hamstrung our offense to protect him in a 15 pound flak jacket.

We had a human bulldozer last year at Qb. The reads, draws, and scrambles were usually positive yardage, but they took a toll on a stocky Qb. What happens when we do the same thing with a "lightweight" running the O? I wouldn't be surprised if 3 Qbs get playing time this year.

[swarthmoreCY]

You said that if you distribute snaps evenly then you limit the "starter's" ability to learn the offense and get better. The problem with that is is supposedly a 4 man race and an open competition so you don't know who the starter is at this time. If you have separated two guys out then it isn't an open competition. You have already decided it is one of two guys.
So either it is not an open competition where all four have had an equal shot

OR

You are limiting the ability of two guys to show what they have because they are limited in snaps.

And if people think that playing with 3rd and 4th stringers does not limit a person they are crazy. Would Tiller look better or worse throwing to 3rd and 4th string receivers, behind the 3rd and 4th string line, etc.

I don't go to practice, I don't see the scrimmages so I am just meerly pointing something out. It is possible that Barnett and Capello are a lot worse than Tiller and Jantz. FootballinTexas does see the scrimmages as do others and from their comments(taking into accoutn favoritism), it seems as it is a two man race and always has been.

I'll try to reexplain it. There is cost to spitting up reps. For how close the QB's are (assuming it is true JB and JC are close to JT and SJ), picking one and repping the hell out of him gives more return than splitting it up equally and finding the truth regarding how you should rank them.

If knowing who was the best had no cost, then obviously you give them equal snaps until the opening tip of the first game.

[IcSyU]

I'm just talking about TDs scored when he's on the field, not TDs he actually scores.

and we only had 1 offensive TD, Al A-Rob had a rushing TD IIRC on a pitch to the outside.

[Al_4_State]

and we only had 1 offensive TD, Al A-Rob had a rushing TD IIRC on a pitch to the outside.

Yup. For some reason I thought we had 4 tds (2 O, 2 D) and a missed PAT.