is there any possible way we get darboh?

[GMackey32]

When was the last time ISU picked up a recruit that had a ND offer? Iowa picked up 3 kids last season who had offers from the likes of ND (all three had ND offers) or USC or Alabama.

My point is, kids with ND offers don't end up at ISU. They do end up at Iowa though.

History does show us that.

I can play this game too.

In recent years, there have been players that held offers from ISU and Iowa, and chose ISU over Iowa. So by that logic, Darboh has offers from both ISU and Iowa, er go, he will attend ISU, because history shows that.

[hawkfan]

History show us that Iowa had 19 straight losing seasons in the '60s and '70s. Have a point?

I was responding to someone who was saying my argument was "unproveable".

It certainly wasn't unprovable. Show me the last time a recruit had a ND offer and ended up at ISU...that's all I'm asking...you do that, I'll buy the argument that Darboh may end up at ISU.

Until ISU starts regularly pulling recruits who have ND offers, I'm not going to think there is much of any chance Darboh ends up at ISU.

And to others....yes, ND's program has been in the dumps the last decade...but look at their recruiting classes. They've still been damn impressive. That tells you a lot about how much prestige really matters in the recruiting game. The allure of playing at ND still attracts top flight recruits, even though their performance on the field hasn't given good recruits reason to play there.

[Cy Hard]

Off the top of my head, Ellis Hobbs III had an offer to play at Notre Dame, but chose us. Not too recent, but recent enough and back when ND was worth a ****.

[PabloDiablo]

I was responding to someone who was saying my argument was "unproveable".

It certainly wasn't unprovable. Show me the last time a recruit had a ND offer and ended up at ISU...that's all I'm asking...you do that, I'll buy the argument that Darboh may end up at ISU.

Until ISU starts regularly pulling recruits who have ND offers, I'm not going to think there is much of any chance Darboh ends up at ISU.

And to others....yes, ND's program has been in the dumps the last decade...but look at their recruiting classes. They've still been damn impressive. That tells you a lot about how much prestige really matters in the recruiting game. The allure of playing at ND still attracts top flight recruits, even though their performance on the field hasn't given good recruits reason to play there.

Maybe more relevant questions are when was the last time that ISU and Notre Dame offered the same kid? When was the last time ND offered a kid in ISU's backyard? When was the last time an ND recruit had this level of familiarity with ISU?

I'm not sure that we will get him or if we have a chance but it's pretty silly to compare history with this situation which is completely different. The reason that Iowa and ND offer similar kids is not due to similar history or program prestige but is actually because of recruiting "territory". If you would look at a map right now you would see that ND is smack dab in the middle of the Big Ten recruiting area (hint:it's in Indiana). Iowa had regularly recruited this state because of TV exposure and competition with more local school in the area, for example Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern and by golly ND.

So while these kids from the great lakes region known to be very rich recruiting ground for the big ten and "traditional" national powers such as ND were getting offers from Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Penn St., Ohio St. and the like, ISU was busy working on kids from "Big 12 territory" in Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas among others.

That's were the majority of your similarity lies. Not from the fact that Notre Dame and Iowa get similar recruits and/or classes and have similar history because brace yourself... they don't, but that they recruit the same area.

[weR138]

I was responding to someone who was saying my argument was "unproveable".

It certainly wasn't unprovable. Show me the last time a recruit had a ND offer and ended up at ISU...that's all I'm asking...you do that, I'll buy the argument that Darboh may end up at ISU.

Until ISU starts regularly pulling recruits who have ND offers, I'm not going to think there is much of any chance Darboh ends up at ISU.

And to others....yes, ND's program has been in the dumps the last decade...but look at their recruiting classes. They've still been damn impressive. That tells you a lot about how much prestige really matters in the recruiting game. The allure of playing at ND still attracts top flight recruits, even though their performance on the field hasn't given good recruits reason to play there.

Looks like you're buying...

Off the top of my head, Ellis Hobbs III had an offer to play at Notre Dame, but chose us. Not too recent, but recent enough and back when ND was worth a ****.

[hawkfan]

Maybe more relevant questions are when was the last time that ISU and Notre Dame offered the same kid? When was the last time ND offered a kid in ISU's backyard? When was the last time an ND recruit had this level of familiarity with ISU?

I'm not sure that we will get him or if we have a chance but it's pretty silly to compare history with this situation which is completely different. The reason that Iowa and ND offer similar kids is not due to similar history or program prestige but is actually because of recruiting "territory". If you would look at a map right now you would see that ND is smack dab in the middle of the Big Ten recruiting area (hint:it's in Indiana). Iowa had regularly recruited this state because of TV exposure and competition with more local school in the area, for example Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern and by golly ND.

So while these kids from the great lakes region known to be very rich recruiting ground for the big ten and "traditional" national powers such as ND were getting offers from Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Penn St., Ohio St. and the like, ISU was busy working on kids from "Big 12 territory" in Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas among others.

That's were the majority of your similarity lies. Not from the fact that Notre Dame and Iowa get similar recruits and/or classes and have similar history because brace yourself... they don't, but that they recruit the same area.

OK...sub ND out for Texas/Oklahoma. My point was, ISU doesn't pull too many kids who have offers from "elite" schools (in the Big 12, that would be Texas/OU, and formerly, Nebraska). It doesn't have to be ND.

How many recruits does ISU pull that have Texas/OU/Nebraska offers? That would be a better comparison.

[weR138]

OK...sub ND out for Texas/Oklahoma. My point was, ISU doesn't pull too many kids who have offers from "elite" schools (in the Big 12, that would be Texas/OU, and formerly, Nebraska). It doesn't have to be ND.

How many recruits does ISU pull that have Texas/OU/Nebraska offers? That would be a better comparison.

If you can't win the argument change the argument. There is no doubt...you are a hawkfan.

[ISUFB]

OK...sub ND out for Texas/Oklahoma. My point was, ISU doesn't pull too many kids who have offers from "elite" schools (in the Big 12, that would be Texas/OU, and formerly, Nebraska). It doesn't have to be ND.

How many recruits does ISU pull that have Texas/OU/Nebraska offers? That would be a better comparison.

Robert Standard - Yahoo! Sports

[hawkfan]

Looks like you're buying...

Alright, lets figure that ISU recruits 25 kids a season. That means what, ISU has beaten Notre Dame for 1 recruit out of 250 signees?

Alright, I admit, Darboh has a 0.4% chance of ending up at ISU....might have just been easier for you to agree with the 5% though.

Again, a more relevant example might be Oklahoma/Texas/Nebraska offers. You seriously want to stand by the argument that there is a BETTER chance that Darboh ends up at ISU then Iowa? I'm not saying he'll go to Iowa...I clearly believe he is a Domer...just saying history indicates that Iowa does much better against the "elites" of the college football world than ISU does, and considering the elites will be on Darboh, it would stand to reason that Iowa has a much better shot than ISU does.

[SamsB]

OK...sub ND out for Texas/Oklahoma. My point was, ISU doesn't pull too many kids who have offers from "elite" schools (in the Big 12, that would be Texas/OU, and formerly, Nebraska). It doesn't have to be ND.

How many recruits does ISU pull that have Texas/OU/Nebraska offers? That would be a better comparison.

I wouldn't consider Neb "elite" at this point like they were in years past. We've gotten some kids recently with Neb offers. OU & Texas is another story - at this point, Istate won't pull any kids with offers from them, they are "elite".

Also, I wouldn't put ND in the same class as OU & Texas. Great program and history...an offer from them is certainly big time, but not on the level of OU & Texas. IMO.

[Trainer]

OK...sub ND out for Texas/Oklahoma. My point was, ISU doesn't pull too many kids who have offers from "elite" schools (in the Big 12, that would be Texas/OU, and formerly, Nebraska). It doesn't have to be ND.

How many recruits does ISU pull that have Texas/OU/Nebraska offers? That would be a better comparison.

I have a few friends that are gonna shoot a metric **** ton of holes in your argument.

DeVondrick Nealy - Yahoo! Sports

Holy **** is that the 2011 National Champion Auburn Tigers on his offer list?

Robert Standard - Yahoo! Sports

Waiting for the answer.

[Al_4_State]

Off the top of my head, Ellis Hobbs III had an offer to play at Notre Dame, but chose us. Not too recent, but recent enough and back when ND was worth a ****.

They're just going to keep ignoring this.

Damn facts getting in the way!

[AmesHawk]

Man, he sure showed the entire fanbase whats, what. Right guys?!

ND is an average program at best these days, I'd be more impressed with a recruiting victory over Missouri or OK State at this point in time.

I was going to stay out of this discussion, but after reading this gem, I couldn't help myself.

ND Recruiting rankings since 2007 -
2007 - #8
2008 - #2
2009 - #21
2010 - #14
2011 - #10

I would love you hear where you think OK State and Missouri are.

Here is the link if you want to look through
Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2007 Team Recruiting Rankings

[CYphyllis]

OK...sub ND out for Texas/Oklahoma. My point was, ISU doesn't pull too many kids who have offers from "elite" schools (in the Big 12, that would be Texas/OU, and formerly, Nebraska). It doesn't have to be ND.

How many recruits does ISU pull that have Texas/OU/Nebraska offers? That would be a better comparison.

And either does Iowa. Last I checked those "elite" schools are consistently at the top of the recruiting rankings. Looking back to 2002, Iowa has cracked the top 25 once.

[Cy Hard]

Does Nealy choosing us over Florida do it for you? Does that carry enough gumption for you to realize student-athletes choose ISU over other high D1 schools too?