Who will be missed more this season: ARob or Arnaud?

**xboxfever** · 04-23-2011, 01:32 PM

If AA is missed this season, this team is going to be in bad shape offensively. AA was a great Cyclone, was the leader of the team, but he was an average QB. He struggled mightily against good teams and made poor decisions when passing. If he is missed, that means the QB play is worse, and this offensive will be awful. If someone could at least match AA, the QB play will once again be average and the offense will once again be only average, but AA won't be missed.

**CloneFan4** · 04-23-2011, 01:49 PM

Neither will be missed much for their football skills. I do think that both will be missed a ton for how good they were for our locker room and as team leaders. I feel that Rabbit will have an even better year than A-Rob did and I also think that our QB will provide more production this year.

**CloneFan4** · 04-23-2011, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by xboxfever

If AA is missed this season, this team is going to be in bad shape offensively. AA was a great Cyclone, was the leader of the team, but he was an average QB. He struggled mightily against good teams and made poor decisions when passing. If he is missed, that means the QB play is worse, and this offensive will be awful. If someone could at least match AA, the QB play will once again be average and the offense will once again be only average, but AA won't be missed.

I wouldn't even come close to calling our offense average:

Passing Yards: 174.3 yds. per game, 95th ranked.
Rushing Yards: 143.2 yds. per game, 72nd ranked.
Points Scored: 21.7 per game, 97th ranked.

Those are aweful numbers.

**xboxfever** · 04-23-2011, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by CloneFan4

I wouldn't even come close to calling our offense average:

Passing Yards: 174.3 yds. per game, 95th ranked.
Rushing Yards: 143.2 yds. per game, 72nd ranked.
Points Scored: 21.7 per game, 97th ranked.

Those are aweful numbers.

I was being generous.

**tazclone** · 04-23-2011, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by RustShack

Don't get me wrong Arnaud was a great Cyclone. He just wasn't a great QB. If he had continued to get better after his first year he would have been a great QB, but he didn't and he wasn't. Maybe if we didn't switch to the spread he would have continued to improve. I'm looking forward to someone like Jantz who can put up better numbers in this offense than Arnaud could. Franklin will be missed more than both of these guys on the field. Arnaud will be missed most off the field, but I have a hard time believing no one will step up as a leader. Arnaud was a Cyclone, and thats what Rhoads is recruiting.

tiller wasn't/ isn't as good as Arnaud. Not even close
As of right now no one has beaten tiller out.Not even Jantz

Logic says no one is currently better than Arnaud unless they make big improvements

**jdoggivjc** · 04-23-2011, 03:33 PM

IF we miss either, it'll be Arnaud. RB is a fairly known quantity, and one that most of us are excited about. However, at QB, after spring practice the QB position is still a 4-man race. That's not necessarily a bad thing, if all 4 QBs are that good. But, from the post-spring game thread, that didn't sound like the case. One will likely separate himself by the first game, but if our best option is a Tiller by all accounts isn't much better than last season, then I'd certainly miss Arnaud.

By the way, if I had to pick one player I'd miss most, it'd be Franklin.

**FootballinTexas** · 04-23-2011, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by tazclone

tiller wasn't/ isn't as good as Arnaud. Not even close
As of right now no one has beaten tiller out.Not even Jantz

Logic says no one is currently better than Arnaud unless they make big improvements

Jantz is the only QB that was given a true shot to overtake Tiller during spring practices. The talk about Barnett and Capello not being "up to speed" with the 1's is irrelevant considering they didn't take snaps with the 1's until the final practice before the spring game. Jantz, however, took snaps every single practice with 1's. And considering the fact that in the spring game Capello had a very good drive with the 1's end with a FG, and Barnett had his 3 drives with the 1's end on a fumble by Shontrelle and drops by Lenz and Gary. I would say they over-achieved expectations. So, yes, no one has overtaken Tiller but I can assure you that there are at least 2 QB's on this roster that's right on his *** and should overtake him given a real opportunity.

AA will be the missed the most. The QB position will be different without AA. But according to CPR, all of the guys can lead. As soon as one of these guys get the nod, he will take ownership and the leadership will be just fine.

**RustShack** · 04-23-2011, 05:15 PM

Jantz is better. He just hasn't beaten out Tiller yet because he doesn't know the offense yet. It's really simple logic that for some reason a lot of people here are failing to grasp. He will be fine by the time the season starts unless he has a learning disability.

**FootballinTexas** · 04-23-2011, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by RustShack

Jantz is better. He just hasn't beaten out Tiller yet because he doesn't know the offense yet. It's really simple logic that for some reason a lot of people here are failing to grasp. He will be fine by the time the season starts unless he has a learning disability.

Right on cue RustShack! You just made my day.....and $20!

**dualthreat** · 04-23-2011, 06:28 PM

i also was more impressed with jantz in the spring game and i think he will beat out tiller by the first game as well.

**FootballinTexas** · 04-23-2011, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by dualthreat

i also was more impressed with jantz in the spring game and i think he will beat out tiller by the first game as well.

Really? So, the one play was all you needed? The 4 fumbles and INT doesn't matter? None of those had anything to do with "knowledge" of the offense. Even CPR made the statement that the turnovers were unacceptable. Before RustShack gets on my ***, JB threw an INT also.

If I may ask, other than the "punt" to Horne, what did Jantz do to impress you or show that he will beat out Tiller. IMO, he didn't show me that he was better than JC or JB.

**Rhoadhoused** · 04-23-2011, 07:07 PM

That throw by Jantz is a throw that no ISU QB has been able to make since Sage. That throw by Jantz was a perfect, beautiful, work of art that you would expect out of a top Big 12 QB.

I want accuracy, precision, and the ability to manage a game as well. But to me none of the other QBs did anything else well enough to make me forget that throw. Jantz also did nothing to make me think that he can't be an accurate passer and move the chains. He did show my that he has big time potential.

When it comes to throws I've seen live, the only one that I think would beat it was Arnauds throw to Franklin in the back of the endzone against TTech last year.

**FootballinTexas** · 04-23-2011, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused

That throw by Jantz is a throw that no ISU QB has been able to make since Sage. That throw by Jantz was a perfect, beautiful, work of art that you would expect out of a top Big 12 QB.

I want accuracy, precision, and the ability to manage a game as well. But to me none of the other QBs did anything else well enough to make me forget that throw. Jantz also did nothing to make me think that he can't be an accurate passer and move the chains. He did show my that he has big time potential.

When it comes to throws I've seen live, the only one that I think would beat it was Arnauds throw to Franklin in the back of the endzone against TTech last year.

It was a great throw. I give that to him. I wouldn't go as far as saying no other ISU QB has/can make that throw since Sage. I just don't know how many times in Big 12 play we will see a linebacker covering a slot receiver 50 yards down the field. So for me, I
have to look at what happened the other 98% of the time. IMO, It wasn't pretty.

**JUKEBOX** · 04-23-2011, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by FootballinTexas

Really? So, the one play was all you needed? The 4 fumbles and INT doesn't matter? None of those had anything to do with "knowledge" of the offense. Even CPR made the statement that the turnovers were unacceptable. Before RustShack gets on my ***, JB threw an INT also.

If I may ask, other than the "punt" to Horne, what did Jantz do to impress you or show that he will beat out Tiller. IMO, he didn't show me that he was better than JC or JB.

People expect him to overtake them when he learns the offense. If he is at the same level (or even a little under) as the other quarterbacks with only a couple of months in the offense, people are confident that he will be better than them come Fall. That all depends on how much he improves over the offseason though.

All the quarterbacks have the potential. People just think Jantz will get there the soonest.

**FootballinTexas** · 04-23-2011, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by JUKEBOX

People expect him to overtake them when he learns the offense. If he is at the same level (or even a little under) as the other quarterbacks with only a couple of months in the offense, people are confident that he will be better than them come Fall. That all depends on how much he improves over the offseason though.

All the quarterbacks have the potential. People just think Jantz will get there the soonest.

The question is who will be missed the most. So, let's stay on that. Jantz has to do more than just learn the offense. The players also have to trust him. I didn't see that aspect over the spring. Also, if it becomes the Jant/Horne show, how will guys like Lenz and Money respond. He has some major things to overcome outside of just knowing the offense. Thats why I believe he wont overtake Tiller. Tiller will have to play his way out of the job.

AA will be the most missed as far as leadership is concerned