JUCO WR Trent Hicks

[dualthreat]

one of two things must be true:

1. High school kids are as fast as NFL players
2. Rivals times are exaggerated

you decide. and yes, kids do have 4.4 times and show up running 4.6x... happens MORE often than not

[dualthreat]

there are some darn good players playing JUCO football. Make no mistake... they CAN contribute. Not all of them though of course.

[cyclonedave25]

Comparing handheld 40 times and fully automatic timing (FAT) is pretty simple. If the time is hand held, simply add .24 seconds and that gives you the conversion to their FAT. You would do this for all distances under 200m. It's not an exact fact, but it's a very close ball park figure. 0.24 is roughly the amount of reaction time it takes for the timer to visually see the runner move and then hit their "start" button. With FAT, the time starts immediately when the runner moves.
If this guy's 40 time is 4.32 (handheld), you can expect his FAT to be around 4.56.

[Tre4ISU]

Yes they do, that happens all the time. I'm not trying to sit here and compare recruits from Iowa to ISU. All I said was that you shouldn't get too caught up in a high school/juco player's 40 time. These things are skewed quite a bit. Once again, I'm not trying to discuss Iowa's recruits or compare them to ISU's, but I will use them as a reference because I follow Iowa's recruiting quite a bit. There are currently 7 commits for Iowa's 2011 class that have been "hand timed" in the 4.4's. I'm sorry but that's just not legitimate. These are hand timed results that obviously are skewed in favor of the athlete.

If you want to see what sub 4.4 forty time looks like, watch this
YouTube - Darrius Heyward-Bey - Get Familiar

Do you have an example of a guy that reported a 4.32 and turned out to be slow. My point wasn't that he is even a 4.4 guy. My point was that if we consider that everyone is exaggerated by the same amount, he will be a pretty speedy guys relative to others. That was my only point. It's just a reference point. I don't think he comes close to that number, probably not even 4.4 but I would say he has speed.

[Frak]

Do you have an example of a guy that reported a 4.32 and turned out to be slow. My point wasn't that he is even a 4.4 guy. My point was that if we consider that everyone is exaggerated by the same amount, he will be a pretty speedy guys relative to others. That was my only point. It's just a reference point. I don't think he comes close to that number, probably not even 4.4 but I would say he has speed.

Yeah, if he has a hand-timed 4.32, then it's pretty likely that he's going to be fast enough to outrun a CB with a hand timed 4.5. I don't think that 4.32 is legit at all, but the kid is plenty fast to play BCS football. Still doesn't mean much if he doesn't have a well rounded skill set. Jason Carlson was fast coming out of JUCO and he had 5 catches at most in his ISU career.

[madcityCY]

Apparently Auburn and Nevada are also interested - according to Mr. Hicks. Also considers himself as "the fastest man in football"... So he must be relatively fast.

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[CyValley]

Do you have an example of a guy that reported a 4.32 and turned out to be slow. My point wasn't that he is even a 4.4 guy. My point was that if we consider that everyone is exaggerated by the same amount, he will be a pretty speedy guys relative to others. That was my only point. It's just a reference point. I don't think he comes close to that number, probably not even 4.4 but I would say he has speed.

My god, Yaman3, where do you find the energy to argue with that capons guy? He's fatiguing, at the least. Your point is clear and easily understood by me. Since I'm an average Joe, can't imagine others here do not feel the same. That capons fellow has demonstrated for most everyone here that he is not an average Joe. . . .

[FootballinTexas]

Man I'm liking this offer!! 6 foot, 195lbs. 4.32 40. And he's high on ISU!!

Trent Hicks - Yahoo! Sports

I would like to know two things: (1) Who was the playmaker on his team and (2) Why did the QB complete only 50% of his passes? They boast of Hicks being one of their playmaker. The QB completed 151 of 265 pass attempts and Hicks only caught 20???? Their other big guy Ellis only caught 8. Whose catching all of the passes? If a kid runs a 4.4 and averages 19.5 ypc, why does he only have 370 yards and 20 catches and 3 TD's? My point, he obviously has speed but what about his hands? I'm not contributing the low completion % just to him but I have to question only 20 catches for a guy averaging almost 20 ypc. Plus, he only got into the endzone 3 times. By comparison, last season Aaron Horne had 50 catches, 1160 yards, 23 ypc, 12 TD's. Also he had 1600 return yards. I would agree with some that Jantz getting here was a product of Horne and not the other way around. But that's another story.

Also, we have had complaints on this board about the size of our receivers....do you we really want another 6'0" guy that has no other D-1 offers? Just my thoughts.

[Tre4ISU]

I would like to know two things: (1) Who was the playmaker on his team and (2) Why did the QB complete only 50% of his passes? They boast of Hicks being one of their playmaker. The QB completed 151 of 265 pass attempts and Hicks only caught 20???? Their other big guy Ellis only caught 8. Whose catching all of the passes? If a kid runs a 4.4 and averages 19.5 ypc, why does he only have 370 yards and 20 catches and 3 TD's? My point, he obviously has speed but what about his hands? I'm not contributing the low completion % just to him but I have to question only 20 catches for a guy averaging almost 20 ypc. Plus, he only got into the endzone 3 times. By comparison, last season Aaron Horne had 50 catches, 1160 yards, 23 ypc, 12 TD's. Also he had 1600 return yards. I would agree with some that Jantz getting here was a product of Horne and not the other way around. But that's another story.

Also, we have had complaints on this board about the size of our receivers....do you we really want another 6'0" guy that has no other D-1 offers? Just my thoughts.

Of course you would.

6'0 is not a short receiver. It is actually probably above average for a D1 receiver. Besides that, didn't you just say in another thread the small quick guys make the offense go, not the tall ones?

I have no idea why his stats are that way though. That's a pretty decent question.

[Yes13]

I would like to know two things: (1) Who was the playmaker on his team and (2) Why did the QB complete only 50% of his passes? They boast of Hicks being one of their playmaker. The QB completed 151 of 265 pass attempts and Hicks only caught 20???? Their other big guy Ellis only caught 8. Whose catching all of the passes? If a kid runs a 4.4 and averages 19.5 ypc, why does he only have 370 yards and 20 catches and 3 TD's? My point, he obviously has speed but what about his hands? I'm not contributing the low completion % just to him but I have to question only 20 catches for a guy averaging almost 20 ypc. Plus, he only got into the endzone 3 times. By comparison, last season Aaron Horne had 50 catches, 1160 yards, 23 ypc, 12 TD's. Also he had 1600 return yards. I would agree with some that Jantz getting here was a product of Horne and not the other way around. But that's another story.

Also, we have had complaints on this board about the size of our receivers....do you we really want another 6'0" guy that has no other D-1 offers? Just my thoughts.

Do we have any of those? This guy looks as talented (probably more talented) as Darius Darks, the guy he would likely replace. I'm also willing to bet this guy gets multiple BCS offers. I understand your gripe with his lack of production, but our staff is looking for athleticism and skills as much as they look for actual production. Look at Lemke, he didn't put up amazing stats at 2A football in Iowa, but he's got some serious athleticism.

[FootballinTexas]

Of course you would.

6'0 is not a short receiver. It is actually probably above average for a D1 receiver. Besides that, didn't you just say in another thread the small quick guys make the offense go, not the tall ones?

I have no idea why his stats are that way though. That's a pretty decent question.

That statement was a bit of sarcasm Yaman due to the fact that he put up monster Horne even without Steele being on the field with him. Pull the underwear out if your ***. I'm cool with Steele.

The 6'0" explosive/quicker receiver IS perfect for the spread. I like Hicks' size. My statement was based on the fact Chris mentioned that Texas had seven guys that were 6'2" or taller on their roster. And many bloggers were saying that our WR corps needed taller guys. Now they are saying let's sign Hicks'! Well, he's not 6'2". Make up my mind please.

The stats do bother me because the QB had 265 attempts and only 151 completions. Either he sucked or the receivers could not catch.