New Big 12 Schedule Unfair? - CPR Quote

[isuno1fan]

I LOVE the schedule and the new B12. I believe it to be the fairest amongst all the BCS conferences because everyone plays everyone as they should (Big East is this way too I believe).

[alarson]

I LOVE the schedule and the new B12. I believe it to be the fairest amongst all the BCS conferences because everyone plays everyone as they should (Big East is this way too I believe).

Easy for them to do when they only had 8 football teams and 7 conference games. That leaves 5 games to schedule as they saw fit, greatly increasing the chances of bowl games.

[Wesley]

Actually, getting two more bye weeks should help balance the extra conference game. We need to keep recruiting to get better. We have been better in the past and we need to do it again. Just do not repeat 2003.

[aeroclone]

Why would the ninth game necessarily have a direct impact on the TV contract? Didn't the ACC just sign a big new TV contract? And they are a basketball conference with an 8 game football schedule.

I want someone to show me a link where an official actually said that the 9th game was part of the reason we got a good TV deal. To date, the only comments I have seen were that the per-school payouts were better because we were splitting it 10 ways instead of 12.

[cyfanatic]

The new B12 will now be the old P10. This will mean fewer bowl eligible teams and fewer seasons with two BCS game qualifiers, which means less bowl revenue for the conference.

This is a very good post. But lets all be honest about this...as this will mean fewer bowl eligible teams...realistically ISU is one of those teams that will be in danger of being on the wrong side of that situation.

[IcSyU]

Why would the ninth game necessarily have a direct impact on the TV contract? Didn't the ACC just sign a big new TV contract? And they are a basketball conference with an 8 game football schedule.

I want someone to show me a link where an official actually said that the 9th game was part of the reason we got a good TV deal. To date, the only comments I have seen were that the per-school payouts were better because we were splitting it 10 ways instead of 12.

I'd think common sense would say that even an Iowa State vs Kansas matchup has more appeal than Iowa State vs Kent State.

[UNIGuy4Cy]

You call it negative...I call it realism! You were one that jumped on the "tough schedule" leading to our downfall last fall...after a summer of "bring it on".

Read CPR's quotes...he seems to agree with my position more than yours.

You continuously sound like a Hawk fan. Rhoads isn't backing down from anything, more on the lines of making a point. He never states the schedule will be more difficult but that Iowa State will be playing more conference games and that the conference as a whole will beat itself up. Heck we scheduled Iowa, Utah, and NIU out of conference last year, all of those teams would likely beat KSU, KU, Baylor, TTU. So maybe our schedule will be easier playing those in conference foes? But its like you and IcSyU have just buried Rhoads already and not given him a chance.

[Clones85']

Let the Big 12 die and join the Big East with Kansas, K-State and Missouri. Less money but more competitive. I'd rather get my *** kicked in the Fiesta Bowl than never be in the Fiesta Bowl at all.

Joining the Big East was never an option. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you will stop with the talk that we should have left the Big 12.

[cyfanatic]

You continuously sound like a Hawk fan. Rhoads isn't backing down from anything, more on the lines of making a point. He never states the schedule will be more difficult but that Iowa State will be playing more conference games and that the conference as a whole will beat itself up. Heck we scheduled Iowa, Utah, and NIU out of conference last year, all of those teams would likely beat KSU, KU, Baylor, TTU. So maybe our schedule will be easier playing those in conference foes? But its like you and IcSyU have just buried Rhoads already and not given him a chance.

Uh...you sound like a Hawk fan (how is that for you) believing that no matter what is thrown at you Iowa State (or Iowa) will come out on top! That is so Hawk-fan"ish" it is disgusting!

Never once did I not give CPR a chance...in fact I, just like CPR, feel this new schedule makes things difficult for Iowa State. When CPR stated that life would be difficult for the Big XII in terms of getting schools bowl-eligible...who do you think he was talking about? The "haves" of the Big XII? Even you are not that blind to read into what he was saying...

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Negative =/= realistic. A couple plays go the other way and we're 3-9, so that argument is crap.

Last year we were a below .500 team. Fact. There's a strong possibility we're going to have to fight to get to .500 this year How do you know this, if you can predict such a thing at least let me know the lottery numbers for Saturday?. Fact. Our head coach is under .500 as a coach. Fact. Our schedule this year is going to be difficult again, again how do you know this? Again how do you predict this? I bet you didnt predict a W in Austin this time last season. Also this is not the 2010 team, change may be for the good on offense and the defense will be good. Fact. There are a lot more things against us than there are going for us into this season. Fact. Any Cyclone fan that doesn't agree with most if not all of that is sipping Kool-Aid heavily.

[CYphyllis]

Negative =/= realistic. A couple plays go the other way and we're 3-9, so that argument is crap.

Last year we were a below .500 team. Fact. There's a strong possibility we're going to have to fight to get to .500 this year. Fact. Our head coach is under .500 as a coach. Fact. Our schedule this year is going to be difficult again. Fact. There are a lot more things against us than there are going for us into this season. Fact. Any Cyclone fan that doesn't agree with most if not all of that is sipping Kool-Aid heavily.

You can be realistic and still not always trend to the negative.

[IcSyU]

You continuously sound like a Hawk fan. Rhoads isn't backing down from anything, more on the lines of making a point. He never states the schedule will be more difficult but that Iowa State will be playing more conference games and that the conference as a whole will beat itself up. Heck we scheduled Iowa, Utah, and NIU out of conference last year, all of those teams would likely beat KSU, KU, Baylor, TTU. So maybe our schedule will be easier playing those in conference foes? But its like you and IcSyU have just buried Rhoads already and not given him a chance.

I don't know what imaginary world you live in, but NIU would NOT have "likely beat" KSU, KU, Baylor, and Tech. They would've competed with Kansas...not exactly a ringing endorsement. They got beat by a below average Iowa State team and a .500 Illinois team. They beat up on the god awful MAC conference.

And I give him a chance every year. Yeah those upsets are great, but for each of those, I can think of multiple games where our coaching staff didn't have the team even close to ready to play. No one should come into Jack Trice and throw up 69 points. I don't see Coach Rhoads as irreplaceable like most Cyclone fans because he hasn't done anything earth shattering. We're wildly inconsistent and a lot of that boils down to coaching. Some weeks the game plan looks phenomenal (Nebraska the last two years and Texas last year) and other times you wonder if they practiced at all over the week (Iowa the last two years, Colorado, Utah, Oklahoma, A&M two years ago). When we get beat for the most part, we get taken out behind the woodshed and slaughtered.

This year again we're going to have to pull some upsets to get to .500. We should expect to beat UNI and Kansas. The only game where a blowout should be acceptable is walking into Oklahoma. Other than that, there is no reason for us to lose any games by 20+.

[Senolcyc]

Joining the Big East was never an option. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you will stop with the talk that we should have left the Big 12.

The Big East was definitely an option. Google, read, learn.

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Paul Rhoads preaches continuous improvement, I will assume his players will follow that path also. Honestly maybe playing TTU and Baylor and ridding ourselves of Utah, NIU and maybe Iowa, will help in the W column.

[cykadelic2]

The biggest part of us getting more $$ is the fact that our contracts were\are old, and the market has vastly increased, and we're also now dividing by 10 instead of 12. Every conference is getting big $$ jumps as they renegotiate contracts, not just us. And if the 5 extra losses make the big 12 look weaker as a conference, that's not going to do much for our future revenue.

Does the extra conference game help? Sure, somewhat. But the loss of bowl revenue (and exposure from those bowls) is important too. Not going to be good for the b12 if we're leaving bowl spots open for at large teams.

I never said the biggest reason for the TV contract increase was due to more conference games but it was a significant factor in the overall increase. ISU vs Baylor is not generally not an appealing game on a national scale but to the TV networks, it beats the hell out of ISU vs Tenn Tech. ISU vs Baylor has regional appeal for a network, ISU vs Tenn Tech has none whatsoever outside of the ISU fanbase and friends/relatives of the Tenn Tech players. The networks wanted more quality inventory to televise.

Regarding bowl revenue, the old 8-game conference format with the championship game hurt the B12 in several seasons solely due to that format. It knocked a team out of BCS contention as Dan Beebe has frequently mentioned. And when it comes to bowl revenue, the BCS games are the only ones that count. The other bowl games generally resulted in a loss once expenses are accounted for.