Should we drop Iowa?

**sdillon500** · 05-18-2011, 04:12 PM

I think ISU is doing more damage to the schedule by including teams like Utah and UConn. With Iowa and nine conference games, the other two OOC games should be UNI (or other division II school) and a Sun Belt / MAC team.

**aeroclone** · 05-18-2011, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy

Hawkeye fans love to throw it in the face of Cyclone fans that they "have nothing to gain from the series." In reality what does ISU gain from winning as apposed to losing? Nothing on a national level just like no one outside the state of Iowa gives a **** when Iowa loses to ISU. Neither school has a national pull or has a brand name so in the end your point is not valid.

Exactly, we aren't gaining anything more from this than any other game either. If we lose, great, we lost a game where we were likely an underdog. If we win, nobody gives us any props because it was a rivalry game that we win with some regularity (sort of ironic).

We aren't going to grow our casual fan base at all by beating Iowa. We have been beating them regularly since the late 90s. A winning program is what is going to bring the fans. Recruiting is much the same story. The only possible thing we have to gain with this game is the ability to talk trash to dbag hawk fans for a year if we win, but frankly I don't find that worth it. I would rather just not deal with dbag hawk fans at all.

**ribsnwhiskey** · 05-18-2011, 04:15 PM

I'd just prefer not to play 'em at all so we don't have to put up with the stink that permeates Ames every other year.

**RING4CY** · 05-18-2011, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by NWIAclone

I have a daughter in the Cyclone Marching Band. I can't speak for her... but I get the feeling, that like alot of fans, they also appreciate the whole "6 wins and going to a bowl game thing" too. In my opinion, drop the Hawks and schedule a sure win. Go Cyclones... it's going to be a great year!

I don't understand this mentality. Iowa State has played in 6 bowl games since 2000, and the Cyclones are 4-2 against Iowa in the years that we've gone to a bowl. Yet, some Cyclone fans have this mentality that it is the Iowa game that is keeping us from getting a 6th win, to get to a bowl game. That we need to dump the Iowa game to schedule a "South Dakota State" sure win to get to a bowl game. I don't get it.

I don't remember a time where the Iowa-Iowa State game wasn't on TV, but dropping the Iowa game for a 1-AA opponent every year would mean less TV exposure.

**RING4CY** · 05-18-2011, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by rholtgraves

I know that people have this emotional attachment to playing Iowa because it is an instate rivalry but ISU needs to win games right now, not worry about playing an instate rivalry game. Kids in Texas and Florida don't care if we play Iowa, they want to play for a team that wins and goes to bowl games. Maybe some people on here would rather play Iowa than go to bowl games, but that is not good for the program. When KState had its bets years they were always playing cupcakes in the nonconference schedule.

Where is this mentality "It's one or the other" coming from? I don't get it!

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 05-18-2011, 04:19 PM

When ISU beat Iowa in 2007 it made the Today show... oh wait...

**rholtgraves** · 05-18-2011, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by RING4CY

Where is this mentality "It's one or the other" coming from? I don't get it!

That is what a couple people on here have said that they would rather see us play Iowa than win 6 games every year.

**ribsnwhiskey** · 05-18-2011, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by RING4CY

I don't understand this mentality. Iowa State has played in 6 bowl games since 2000, and the Cyclones are 4-2 against Iowa in the years that we've gone to a bowl. Yet, some Cyclone fans have this mentality that it is the Iowa game that is keeping us from getting a 6th win, to get to a bowl game. That we need to dump the Iowa game to schedule a "South Dakota State" sure win to get to a bowl game. I don't get it.

I don't remember a time where the Iowa-Iowa State game wasn't on TV, but dropping the Iowa game for a 1-AA opponent every year would mean less TV exposure.

If we played Directional State U. last year instead of the squawks, we most likely would've a) had 1 more home game and b) gotten extra bowl practices.

I'd prefer playing other BCS conference schools once in a while then be stuck playing the **** and black colored idiots every other year. Maybe schedule them for a home and home every 10 years. They could've lobbied for us to join the Big 10 but they don't think we're good enough for that conference. Screw 'em!

**rholtgraves** · 05-18-2011, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by RING4CY

I don't understand this mentality. Iowa State has played in 6 bowl games since 2000, and the Cyclones are 4-2 against Iowa in the years that we've gone to a bowl. Yet, some Cyclone fans have this mentality that it is the Iowa game that is keeping us from getting a 6th win, to get to a bowl game. That we need to dump the Iowa game to schedule a "South Dakota State" sure win to get to a bowl game. I don't get it.

I don't remember a time where the Iowa-Iowa State game wasn't on TV, but dropping the Iowa game for a 1-AA opponent every year would mean less TV exposure.

The years that we went to a bowl game we weren't playing a nine game conference schedule. This is what the debate is about, should we still play the game considering we have to play a 9 game conf schedule. The debate isn't should we play Iowa if we have a schedule like we did from 2000-2010, one in which we didn't have to play the entire south division every year.

**alarson** · 05-18-2011, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by RING4CY

Where is this mentality "It's one or the other" coming from? I don't get it!

Because our chances of beating iowa are <50% on any given year, when we should be (like most other schools, especially at our level, do) scheduling easy tune-up games in the nonconference.

If you're a school that typically hovers around the 5-7 win mark, having iowa on the schedule vs a minor FBS conference team makes a big difference.

**CykoAGR** · 05-18-2011, 04:34 PM

I voted keep the game. I like it, its probably my favorite game of the year when it is in ames.

I dont understand why people think that we cant win this game. In most years IA is a 7-9 win team and we have proven lately that we CAN win. Scheduling Iowa doesnt automatically mean that we wont go to a bowl.

If we had won the game more often in the past 4 years I would suspect that there would be many more people saying "keep it" than get rid of it.

**RING4CY** · 05-18-2011, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by ribsnwhiskey

If we played Directional State U. last year instead of the squawks, we most likely would've a) had 1 more home game and b) gotten extra bowl practices.

I'd prefer playing other BCS conference schools once in a while then be stuck playing the **** and black colored idiots every other year. Maybe schedule them for a home and home every 10 years. They could've lobbied for us to join the Big 10 but they don't think we're good enough for that conference. Screw 'em!

IF we had converted a two-point conversion, we'd be going bowling last year. IF we had embarrassed Colorado like we should have instead of Colorado embarrassing us, we'd be going bowling last year. IF we had not ****** away the K-State game, we'd be going bowling last year.

IF
IF
IF

Again, the Iowa game did not keep us from bowling last year.

**alarson** · 05-18-2011, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by RING4CY

IF we had converted a two-point conversion, we'd be going bowling last year. IF we had embarrassed Colorado like we should have instead of Colorado embarrassing us, we'd be going bowling last year. IF we had not ****** away the K-State game, we'd be going bowling last year.

IF
IF
IF

Again, the Iowa game did not keep us from bowling last year.

Its simple statistics. Over time, we WILL have more wins having iowa off the schedule than with iowa on it. There is no arguing that fact. You dont set yourself up to lose before the season even begins by having a tougher schedule than most of your conference, especially when you are a typically cellar dwelling team.

**CyFan61** · 05-18-2011, 04:42 PM

Only once in the past 20+ years has Iowa State been one win away from bowl eligibility and lost to Iowa. It just happens that was last year. The "risk" we run (which personally I perceive as cowardice) is nowhere near the level of excitement and energy that this game brings the team and its fanbase. Some of you may disagree, but there is no question that for the fanbase as a whole, this is the biggest game of the year.

If you're "worried", don't b**** about the schedule being too hard... just win the damn game! Go Cyclones

**rholtgraves** · 05-18-2011, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by RING4CY

IF we had converted a two-point conversion, we'd be going bowling last year. IF we had embarrassed Colorado like we should have instead of Colorado embarrassing us, we'd be going bowling last year. IF we had not ****** away the K-State game, we'd be going bowling last year.

IF
IF
IF

Again, the Iowa game did not keep us from bowling last year.

Again, last year we didn't have a 9 game schedule. Having Iowa basically means you are playing another top tier major conference team. It is like playing ten conference games out of a total of 12 games. Having the toughest schedule in the nation or close to it, is not a good thing for a program that is trying to improve. Having that tough of schedule means we probably aren't going to a bowl game and therefore not attracting better recruits, which equals continued losing. Who cares if we beat them every few years, we need someone we can beat every year so we can have three wins going into conference play.

Iowa shouldn't want this game either when the big ten goes to a 9 game schedule.