Iowa State at Baylor

**Al_4_State** · 06-15-2011, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Sammy11

2008 was a dead year by midseason and we have made a lot of gameday improvement since then. Its really night and day and tailgating is very different.

I heard you talking about your experience on shaggy a while back.

Yeah, maybe I'll give it a chance some day again (I have a buddy in DFW who likes to hit up ISU games in Texas), but it REALLY turned me (and the whole group I went with) off. Between the general deadness of everything, and the rude demeanor of the few Baylor fans we ran into, it just left a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

**IcSyU** · 06-15-2011, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy

Our pass defense was strong last season

Uh, it was? Gabbert has been sitting in the pocket since last November and we still haven't got to him.

**weR138** · 06-15-2011, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by CyBroncos

Speaking of Shaggybevo, I wonder which meltdown last year was more epic...when Texas lost at home to ISU or Baylor?

I'd guess BU. Nearly their entire roster are TX kids not good enough for UT. The ISU loss was an abberation for UT fans. They could rationalize it the same way we rationalize 500 year floods or stock market crashes.

**cyhiphopp** · 06-15-2011, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by IcSyU

Uh, it was? Gabbert has been sitting in the pocket since last November and we still haven't got to him.

Well that would probably be a defensive line issue rather than overall pass defense. And with all the time he had, they still only scored 14 pts.

**IcSyU** · 06-15-2011, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by cyhiphopp

Well that would probably be a defensive line issue rather than overall pass defense. And with all the time he had, they still only scored 14 pts.

I'd throw in pass rush in the overall pass defense. Pass rush + coverage ability = pass defense.

Then again, our pass defense was a little better because teams ran it down our throat pretty much at will, unless of course we caused a turnover. Knott and Klein both looked good in coverage. It'd be awesome to see the DL control the line this year so they're both free to roam in coverage and not always have to be up in run support. I'd like to see both under 100 tackles this season honestly. Being a year older should help them not overrun plays and be in better position. Hopefully the line allows them to REALLY grow from last season.

**Al_4_State** · 06-15-2011, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by cyhiphopp

Well that would probably be a defensive line issue rather than overall pass defense. And with all the time he had, they still only scored 14 pts.

That had NOTHING to do with ISU's pass defense. Remember, if anything appearing to be favorable happens to ISU, it was just dumb luck and we did nothing to make it happen. We're the worst team to ever set foot on a football field. Always, and forever.

**isuno1fan** · 06-15-2011, 10:17 AM

I'm not trolling....I've watched RGIII at least a dozen times and he has never impressed me. He was difficult his first year because people weren't ready for him, but as that year wore on and ever since he returned he has not been anything spectacular. I absolutely would not want him under center for ISU...that's how unimpressed I am by him.

**cyhiphopp** · 06-15-2011, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

That had NOTHING to do with ISU's pass defense. Remember, if anything appearing to be favorable happens to ISU, it was just dumb luck and we did nothing to make it open. We're the worst team to ever set foot on a football field. Always, and forever.

Oh yeah, what was I thinking. That Texas win was dumb luck as well. The defense didn't lay the wood to them at all.

**IcSyU** · 06-15-2011, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

I'm not trolling....I've watched RGIII at least a dozen times and he has never impressed me. He was difficult his first year because people weren't ready for him, but as that year wore on and ever since he returned he has not been anything spectacular. I absolutely would not want him under center for ISU...that's how unimpressed I am by him.

I'll take RGIII at this point in time before any quarterback on the Iowa State roster.

**weR138** · 06-15-2011, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

That had NOTHING to do with ISU's pass defense. Remember, if anything appearing to be favorable happens to ISU, it was just dumb luck and we did nothing to make it happen. We're the worst team to ever set foot on a football field. Always, and forever.

I disagree, Washington State sucks pretty bad.

**Sammy11** · 06-15-2011, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

I'm not trolling....I've watched RGIII at least a dozen times and he has never impressed me. He was difficult his first year because people weren't ready for him, but as that year wore on and ever since he returned he has not been anything spectacular. I absolutely would not want him under center for ISU...that's how unimpressed I am by him.

Which games have you seen? He wasn't an impressive passer in 08 but he was very good in 2010.

**Al_4_State** · 06-15-2011, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by weR138

I disagree, Washington State sucks pretty bad.

I was being sarcastic. Certain posters refuse to give ISU credit for anything (even though they are big Cyclone fans). Some folks just skew inaccurately negative.

**rholtgraves** · 06-15-2011, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by IcSyU

I'll take RGIII at this point in time before any quarterback on the Iowa State roster.

I agree. If we would have had him last year we would have went to a bowl game. He passed for 3500 yards 22 tds , 67% completion, ran for like 600 yds. Way better than what Arnaud and Tiller did.