QB competition. Whats your Opinion?

**synapticwave** · 06-27-2011, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by jaretac

I'll concede that yaman, but I still feel like Herman has done next to nothing to adapt the offense to his players. Maybe it isn't all Herman's fault. Maybe he want's to change some things up and his boss is telling him to keep things the way they are. We may never know that, but Herman needs to show improvement this year.

If your system is so great, how do you justify 3 straight years of decline when almost all the players on the team are now Rhoads players..

WTF? Herman and co. have been here for 2 years, so AT MOST, you could count 2 years of declines, and that's IF you include a decline from the year before he showed up to his first year. Especially given that our schedule in '08 was easier than '09, which was A LOT easier than '10. Also, what stat(s) are you using to say we've been getting worse for these mystical 3 years. If you look at Points/game we were better in '10 than '09, so depending on what stat you want to look at you could argue we're on the way back up already.

**WalkingCY** · 06-27-2011, 03:39 PM

I don't know if anyone has stated this yet, but if Tiller isn't given the nod I hope they switch him over to WR to get some reps before UNI a-la Meyer from KU. (I just have a feeling that Jantz will be the starter for good before UNI and Barnett will be the solid back-up at that point.) Jerome is a good athlete that we need on the field somehow. And maybe, just maybe he could feel comfortable at the WR and have a successful season helping out the team this way.)

**RustShack** · 06-27-2011, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by jaretac

I'll concede that yaman, but I still feel like Herman has done next to nothing to adapt the offense to his players. Maybe it isn't all Herman's fault. Maybe he want's to change some things up and his boss is telling him to keep things the way they are. We may never know that, but Herman needs to show improvement this year.

If your system is so great, how do you justify 3 straight years of decline when almost all the players on the team are now Rhoads players..

What? Most of "Hermans" players are either freshman or RS freshman with some sophomores...

**Tre4ISU** · 06-27-2011, 05:01 PM

Hermans first class with be redshirt freshmen or sophomores this coming year. This is going to take more than 2 or 3 years to make work. I conceded that early. You don't just come in and win right away at a place like ISU. It just doesn't happen. Look at all the former below average teams who have risen. Mizzou, OkSt, WVU, Kansas at one time, KSU awhile ago, Texas Tech, Baylor now, all of them took time. Mike Leach is considered an offensive genius and it took him awhile to win.

**Rhoadhoused** · 06-27-2011, 05:11 PM

And there is no way me make Tiller a WR. A good, experience backup QB is an absolutely huge luxury a team can have and you can expect the backup to start at least one or two games every year on average.

**ShopTalk** · 06-27-2011, 05:13 PM

My opinion:

There's way too much whining and ******** going on in this thread about everything ISU FB. You sound like a bunch of girls. As Dr. Phil likes to shout "What the hell is the matter with ewe?"
None of our opinions matter. The coaches will evaluate and choose who the QB starter will be and when and if a change will be made if that starter struggles.
Coach Rhoads said he's going to have the best team he's had since arriving at Ames this year AND the most challenging schedule at the recent CF outing and he's been a straight shooter since he's been here. So who knows what that means for W-L at the end of the year?
Never in ISU FB history have there been three (down from four due to transfer) QB's in serious contention for the starting position so I figure that's a good thing. Even if they all end up average at least you know you've got some backup consistency. Backup QB consistency has historically been a rare thing at ISU.
ISU recruiting is improving and the most obvious measure of this is the quality depth in the two and even three deeps. That's never happened before at ISU.
It takes time in FB to get to those big time winning seasons. Lots and Lots of time. Years. So chill and enjoy the summer already.
I just want to see them play already!

**clonedude** · 06-27-2011, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Stormin

Jared Barnett should not get the job just because he is a RS Frosh and even with the other two. The BEST player should get the job regardless of the class they are in.

Sorry. But the BEST player needs to win the job regardless of class. For one thing it would not be fair. And for another we have no margin for error.

Wow... this is classic double talk right here. First you say... Barnett shouldn't get the job if they are all even... and then you go on to say that the BEST player should get the job.

That is classic. What does "all 3 QB's being dead even" mean to you? To me it means, nobody is better than anyone else.... they are dead even.

I stated that if they are all completely even, then why not start the youngest guy and build your team for the future? But if Jantz or Tiller provides you with more maturity and leadership, then play them, but if that were the case then they wouldn't all be even, would they?

**mcblogerson** · 06-27-2011, 09:24 PM

No matter who wins the job, I'm betting our passing game is mediocre at best. If we have a decent offense this year it will be solely b/c of a solid Oline and our schlong named running backs.

I'll hold judgement on Herman's abilities to recruit and run an offense for another two years.

**Al_4_State** · 06-27-2011, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused

And there is no way me make Tiller a WR. A good, experience backup QB is an absolutely huge luxury a team can have and you can expect the backup to start at least one or two games every year on average.

You can be both the starting WR and back up QB. It is NOT mutually exclusive.

**RustShack** · 06-27-2011, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

You can be both the starting WR and back up QB. It is NOT mutually exclusive.

I completely agree. When hes not taking practice snaps with the QB's he can be with the WR's. Plus we have a three man race, so he isn't the only backup option at QB. I'd be all for throwing in some gadget plays with Tiller in the slot.

**Rhoadhoused** · 06-27-2011, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

You can be both the starting WR and back up QB. It is NOT mutually exclusive.

I guess I disagree. I don't think it makes sense to split between two positions. I don't get why people think Tiller is going to be such a good WR anyway, he doesn't have incredible quickness or speed. Nothing our WRs now don't have.

**Tre4ISU** · 06-27-2011, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by clonedude

Wow... this is classic double talk right here. First you say... Barnett shouldn't get the job if they are all even... and then you go on to say that the BEST player should get the job.

That is classic. What does "all 3 QB's being dead even" mean to you? To me it means, nobody is better than anyone else.... they are dead even.

I stated that if they are all completely even, then why not start the youngest guy and build your team for the future? But if Jantz or Tiller provides you with more maturity and leadership, then play them, but if that were the case then they wouldn't all be even, would they?

No, it's classic lack of comprehension on your part. He meant that Barnett shouldn't be the starter simply because he's the youngest.

**RustShack** · 06-27-2011, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused

I guess I disagree. I don't think it makes sense to split between two positions. I don't get why people think Tiller is going to be such a good WR anyway, he doesn't have incredible quickness or speed. Nothing our WRs now don't have.

Yeah I don't know what his hands are like, but if he offers that its a plus. I think we have some nice young WR's though. I don't think he would make a big impact at either position, but he has enough talent that we should try to get on him the field even if its just for some trick plays. I honestly don't think they will move him though. He will most likely just be the backup QB again.

**Al_4_State** · 06-27-2011, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused

I guess I disagree. I don't think it makes sense to split between two positions. I don't get why people think Tiller is going to be such a good WR anyway, he doesn't have incredible quickness or speed. Nothing our WRs now don't have.

Kerry Meier did it just fine.

Why people think Tiller will be a good receiver:
1) decent speed/quickness
2) good size
3) seems to be elusive in the open field/good overall athleticism
4) extremely positive track record of QBs becoming WRs, including here @ ISU. They know the offense extremely well, and run great routes because they know what a QB wants out of his receivers from that standpoint.

**InCytful** · 06-27-2011, 11:16 PM

How different would this thread be if the backup punter wasn't 0-1 with an INT in his passing attempts? I will give him credit that it was into the wind against a decent team. I'll even take him starting as QB if they'd start the season now so we'd have something to talk about other than our freshmen getting busted for bb gun possession and whether AA or Tiller is better. C'mon Sept. 3..........I need some football....Go State!