QB competition. Whats your Opinion?

**RedBlooded** · 06-26-2011, 05:53 PM

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**Hicks27** · 06-26-2011, 05:56 PM

It sounds from all accounts that it's going to be Jantz. I'd like to see Jared Barnett get some snaps. Maybe in a platoon situation. All that I've read and heard from those who have first hand knowledge of both players. They both seem to have the "it" factor. CY may not have that luxury as most games should be close.

**clonedude** · 06-26-2011, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Frak

I'm calling it right now...Jarred Barnett will be the starting QB. Jantz will be the backup and Tiller will either be a WR or transfer. I think we'll have a couple of QBs play in the first few games and by the time they head to UCONN, Barnett will have the top position locked.

That's kinda what I'm hoping for. If it's truly a 3 way tie, then why not go with the RS freshman and build for the future? Unless you feel that Jantz or Tiller gives you just a more mature and level headed leader?

But I don't want Barnett to win if it's just because he's the most athletic. I really want the best passer out of the bunch to win, because all 3 are athletic guys that can run with the ball. I want a passer.

It troubles me a bit though that basically Tiller and Jantz were the only ones to get time with the #1 units in the spring game. That tells me that Jared Barnett is on the outside looking in.

**Al_4_State** · 06-26-2011, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by xboxfever

WR play was not very good last year for two reasons. First, and main reason, is Austen Arnaud throwing 150 mph rocket passes when the receiver is 10-15 yards away. No one in the NFL could catch the ball consistently with passes like that. On top of that, those passes were NEVER accurate, and the receivers had to adjust their body every time AA threw it. The second reason is because of poor play calling by Tom Herman. It became so bad, you knew exactly what we were going to run every play. If Herman doesn't show major strides forward this season, he needs to lose his job. He has been far from impressive. He has been predictable and the team is not going to improve unless he makes changes to his play calling.

The receivers sucked when Tiller played too.

The passes were "NEVER" accurate? Arnaud is our career completion % leader. He's no Tom Brady, but good lord our fans stay stupid things sometimes.

**RedBlooded** · 06-26-2011, 06:54 PM

We have what is considered the toughest schedule in the country. do we really want a freshman to start. Thats a lot to ask.
I also think that it is way to soon to say that Herman has done a poor job.

**tazclone** · 06-26-2011, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by RedBlooded

We have what is considered the toughest schedule in the country. do we really want a freshman to start. Thats a lot to ask.
I also think that it is way to soon to say that Herman has done a poor job.

All we can go on is results and up to this point, he has not done a good job. That is a fact. The points per game and total offense don't lie.

Now, I think that most on here agree that the jury is still out and that he deserves a year or more to prove himself.

**clonedude** · 06-26-2011, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by tazclone

All we can go on is results and up to this point, he has not done a good job. That is a fact. The points per game and total offense don't lie.

Now, I think that most on here agree that the jury is still out and that he deserves a year or more to prove himself.

Correct. It's Tom Herman's job to move the football and score points. He's done a horrible job at that so far. And he'd probably agree with that, I hope?

BUT... as I've said... to be completely fair... he hasn't had enough time yet to prove himself. But if the next two years are anything like the last two years... he has to go. There's no other way to look at that I'm afraid.

**Stormin** · 06-26-2011, 10:03 PM

Jared Barnett should not get the job just because he is a RS Frosh and even with the other two. The BEST player should get the job regardless of the class they are in.

Sorry. But the BEST player needs to win the job regardless of class. For one thing it would not be fair. And for another we have no margin for error.

**Frak** · 06-26-2011, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Stormin

Jared Barnett should not get the job just because he is a RS Frosh and even with the other two. The BEST player should get the job regardless of the class they are in.

Sorry. But the BEST player needs to win the job regardless of class. For one thing it would not be fair. And for another we have no margin for error.

I don't think that they'll give him the nod if he's not the best QB for ISU in 2011.

**TedKumsher** · 06-27-2011, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by clonedude

To those of you defending Herman because you think we ran the ball more under him... that still does not explain the total offensive numbers declining every year under Herman.

. . .

Um -- it's only been 2 years, right? I'm just sayin' -- you make it sound like a 10 year trend.

**Rhoadhoused** · 06-27-2011, 11:59 AM

I would much rather give our coordinators and staff 4 years to get their players in and have some continuity than just keep firing coordinators until we find the next Gus Malzahan and then have that guy leave in two years after we spend 10 years searching. Continuity. It will improve and our offense will almost certainly be better in year 3 or 4 of herman than year 1 of someone else.

**jaretac** · 06-27-2011, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by yaman3

Gary Pinkels success has come from two QBs who are in the NFL and one of them could be the best in last years draft class. Arnaud was not that. That's not even considering he had two receivers who were among the best in the nation. Also not what we have.

One player doesn't make a team. It might be the difference between a 8 win season and a 10 win season but not a difference between a losing record and coming one game from a national title. Missouri was a losing team when Pinkel started. Whether you like the guy or not, you have to respect what he has done there. In 2005 I thought Missouri would fall back to irrelevance. Same in 2006 and again last year. That is 3 QB's and how have those guys done after college compared to all the other Missouri players that have been drafted?

Originally Posted by RustShack

Interesting. I remember reading Chase Daniel got the job because he was from a spread offense so he got the nod over the more talented guy who was more suited for a Pro Style.

Really, who is this more talented player and if he was so good why didn't he transfer? If he did transfer, where is he now and what is he doing? Pinkel started out with a pro style. Brad Smith was a pro style QB and he started his senior year and won 7 games. Daniels played some Smiths last season as preparation. The next year the tigers won 8 games.

I'm not saying that they threw out the play book and started from scratch for each QB, but modifications where made to make each one as successful as possible.

Seriously, do you see a Daniels led team wining 7 games if Daniels only threw 2300 yards in one season? Smith did it just one year before Daniels took over. Obviously a different system.

**rebecacy** · 06-27-2011, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by tazclone

All we can go on is results and up to this point, he has not done a good job. That is a fact. The points per game and total offense don't lie.

Now, I think that most on here agree that the jury is still out and that he deserves a year or more to prove himself.

+1

**Tre4ISU** · 06-27-2011, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by jaretac

One player doesn't make a team. It might be the difference between a 8 win season and a 10 win season but not a difference between a losing record and coming one game from a national title. Missouri was a losing team when Pinkel started. Whether you like the guy or not, you have to respect what he has done there. In 2005 I thought Missouri would fall back to irrelevance. Same in 2006 and again last year. That is 3 QB's and how have those guys done after college compared to all the other Missouri players that have been drafted?

My point was that when you have players that are that good at playing a certain way, it makes it much easier to change somethings. Again, he has had great college QBs and receivers at Missouri. We haven't had either, or at least we haven't seemed to. I think he's a hell of a coach but I don't think Herman could have just switched some things around and created an offense much greater than what we had.

Really, who is this more talented player and if he was so good why didn't he transfer? If he did transfer, where is he now and what is he doing? Pinkel started out with a pro style. Brad Smith was a pro style QB and he started his senior year and won 7 games. Daniels played some Smiths last season as preparation. The next year the tigers won 8 games.

I'm not saying that they threw out the play book and started from scratch for each QB, but modifications where made to make each one as successful as possible.

Seriously, do you see a Daniels led team wining 7 games if Daniels only threw 2300 yards in one season? Smith did it just one year before Daniels took over.

**jaretac** · 06-27-2011, 12:58 PM

I'll concede that yaman, but I still feel like Herman has done next to nothing to adapt the offense to his players. Maybe it isn't all Herman's fault. Maybe he want's to change some things up and his boss is telling him to keep things the way they are. We may never know that, but Herman needs to show improvement this year.

If your system is so great, how do you justify 3 straight years of decline when almost all the players on the team are now Rhoads players..