North Texas Game & Tailgate to Watch Coach Mac

[cyhiphopp]

Honestly, no. It hurts to say that, but I'm trying to be realistic. I hope ISU can do better than Mac's legacy, but the new schedule, in-state recruiting, and revenue situation doesn't bode well for us.

See, that sounds like you aren't full of it. You sound a lot less like a troll when you present thought out arguments rather than your first comment to mikem.

However, I still disagree with you.
But that's ok. As far as the schedule goes, CPR has gone on record stating that he does not want to play multiple tough non-con games again in the future. I think we will limit it to Iowa and two pushovers in the future. That helps the schedule somewhat. Iowa isn't always going to be a BCS bowl caliber team despite what their fans believe so they are NOT unbeatable.
In conference I don't think Kansas, K-State, TTech, Baylor or Mizzou are unbeatable. We have shown the ability to beat a team like Texas as well so OSU, ATM and even mighty OU are not unbeatable in any given year. I agree that the schedule is harder now than during DMacs best years, but I still think we can get to 6 wins more often than not.

I really don't think In-state recruiting is that important. In Macs best years he still didn't beat out Iowa for the best players all the time and in the state of Iowa, there just aren't that many great players to be had. I would rather get more 2nd and 3rd tier guys out of Texas and Florida which is where our best players are currently coming from. Yes, it is nice to get an in state kid to pick us over the Hawks, but we will not end up a perennial 3 win team if we don't get the top kid from Cedar Rapids every year.

Revenue is what it is. Iowa State will never have Texas money. However, I don't think you need that much money to have a successfull team. We are in a big time conference. The new TV money will put us in league revenue wise with a lot of other BCS teams. Our facilities are quite good for a team with our history, they are still getting better, and it is helping with recruiting. 10 million more per year doesn't help Texas as much as it helps ISU. Texas already has enough money to get everything they want for football, even before you factor in TV money. With the new TV revenue, ISU has a chance to greatly improve the football funding. We wont ever be able to pay our coordinators more than most head coaches like UT does, but you don't have to to win football games.


Overall I think our athletic department and football program are in the best shape they have ever been. Even when DMac was at his best, there was always that possibility that we would completely tank the next year (which happened two times too often). The AD made improvements during his time, but I don't think it was as strong and dedicated to football as it is now which is evident by improvement after improvement being made.

[CyDude16]

You say defeatist, I say realist.

A realist uses stats and percentages, of which you just ignored. So that in turn makes you a moron.

[Tornado man]

Start a fight? I wasn't the one who went negative with this whole thing. Plus, you're the one cursing and name-calling.

Get used to it, creightonclone. The name-calling and personal attacks toward any fans of Mac (or anyone who dares to point out the facts of his accomplishments) seems to be a full-time job for some posters on CF. And yet these haters call themselves Cyclone fans...
I will also call the AA and compliment them on a great idea.

[cyhiphopp]

Get used to it, creightonclone. The name-calling and personal attacks toward any fans of Mac (or anyone who dares to point out the facts of his accomplishments) seems to be a full-time job for some posters on CF. And yet these haters call themselves Cyclone fans...
I will also call the AA and compliment them on a great idea.

I said he was full of it because he basically stated that the DMac years are the best we could ever do. He did not state any facts in that post he just perpetuated the negativity that permeates this site. He also sounded like a complete troll. He since has actually stated reasons for his negativity, which is at least an improvement.

(The following is not a direct attack on creighton, but the general pessimistic fans on this site)

Oh, woah is us. We fired the "best" coach we could have ever had.
We hear something similar to that any time DMas is brought up.

I appreciate some of the things DMac did while he was here, but he also crapped down his leg on a pretty regular basis. He overstayed his welcome and was forced to resign.

[jbhtexas]

Get used to it, creightonclone. The name-calling and personal attacks toward any fans of Mac (or anyone who dares to point out the facts of his accomplishments) seems to be a full-time job for some posters on CF. And yet these haters call themselves Cyclone fans...

It seems he was primarily being trashed for suggesting that ISU will never do any better at FB than DM did, and not for pointing out DM's accomplishments. It's a not-really-that-subtle difference that you apparently missed in your haste to trash those who dare to point out the reality of DM's tenure as coach at ISU.

I will also call the AA and compliment them on a great idea.

Of course you will. Actually, you ought to come on down for the UNT event. I'm guessing you'll find a number of like-minded souls eager to complain about ADJP, the direction of the ISU AD, ISU in general, and the Big 12, so you'll probably feel right at home.

[RandomFan]

Hmm... A lot of strong opinions here. Personally, I see nothing wrong with this event being scheduled. I would hope it doesn't become an annual event, but that's not my decision to make. I will say this, Dan has nothing but great things to say about ISU whenever I've heard him interviewed. I think it will be a real nice gesture by local ISU fans to show him support in his new gig.

To those of you rippin' the OP and his efforts with the DFW ISUAA, have any of you tried to head up a local ISUAA? I'm guessing it's a ton of work, and I applaud him for his efforts. It sounds like a lot of the local members voiced their interest in this event. If you shoot down ideas brought forward by your members, I would think you may just lose some of them. How is that good for ISU?

[Ficklone02]

Might I add that if there is a sea of red cheering for UNT at the stadium that day, if you have to spend dollars on that game vs something ISU related (which really does annoy me) at least treat the UNT fans well and make them fans of ISU. Even if its a secondary fanhood, we need all the fans we can get!

[jbhtexas]

I think it will be a real nice gesture by local ISU fans to show him support in his new gig.

That's fine if those fans wish to do so. But I have trouble seeing how this event fits into the mission of the ISUAA, especially in light of the issue I posed earlier in the thread.

Founded in 1878, the ISU Alumni Association's long-held mission is to engage the talents and resources of alumni, students, and friends in the life, work, and aspiration of Iowa State University.

To those of you rippin' the OP and his efforts with the DFW ISUAA, have any of you tried to head up a local ISUAA? I'm guessing it's a ton of work, and I applaud him for his efforts. It sounds like a lot of the local members voiced their interest in this event. If you shoot down ideas brought forward by your members, I would think you may just lose some of them. How is that good for ISU?

No doubt heading up a local ISUAA is alot of work, and often a thankless job. But sometimes leadership has to say no when something doesn't really fit the goal of an organization. The membership needs to be mature enough to understand.

[alarson]

I would hardly pat our backs for our journey to the AP top Ten. We just cracked the list at #9. We stayed there for one week. In our lone appearance as a top 10 team, we lost 49-3 on national television on our way to going 3-16 in our next 19 games. We followed this up by choking away the North title in back to back seasons. And then for his big exit, Dan went 4-8, beating Mizzou in a nail-biter in his final game to avoid going out with a winless conference campaign.

Dan made some improvements, but I would hardly say he put us on the map. Outside of the ISU fanbase, I don't think the reputation of our program has changed much at all. Those fans that don't still confuse us with the hawks, the buckeyes, or who knows what else would still identify us as a BCS bottom feeder.

It just seems to me like a lot of the Dan worship around here is more a reflection on the abysmal history of our program than it is on any accomplishments of Dan's. He got us to the doorstep a few times, but to me the legacy is more our continued, almost comical inability, to step through. So we finally beat Iowa and we went to a couple bowl games (that wouldn't have existed 20 years ago), and that was a good time, but it certainly didn't catapult us to a new level. Chizik couldn't do anything the following two years, and while we have high hopes for CPR, he has yet to show that the foundation was set for bigger things either.

I find the whole idea of an ISUAA sponsored event to go to a game not involving ISU to support a coach that was basically forced to resign from ISU just a little bit odd. I'm not going to say not to go, Dan clearly loved ISU and gave us his all and I respect that. But I honestly would be shocked if there are examples of other schools doing something at all like this.

Agreed with all of this. To add, what was the level of university support in the 80s up through Mac taking the job, and what was it after? Having a supportive administration makes all the difference, and you really started to see a lot of projects get off the ground during the time Mac was here to help support him succeeding.

[RandomFan]

That's fine if those fans wish to do so. But I have trouble seeing how this event fits into the mission of the ISUAA, especially in light of the issue I posed earlier in the thread.





No doubt heading up a local ISUAA is alot of work, and often a thankless job. But sometimes leadership has to say no when something doesn't really fit the goal of an organization. The membership needs to be mature enough to understand.

To your first point- are you also against the other events the OP mentioned? A Double-A baseball game outing and happy hours? If so, do you not believe that a group of Cyclone fans getting together can encourage more support for the University, even at a non-ISU event?

On your second point, if this flies in the face of the ISUAA's stated goal, couldn't the leadership in Ames have turned down the request to help out with this event? If they think it's ok, why don't some on here agree?

[jbhtexas]

To your first point- are you also against the other events the OP mentioned? A Double-A baseball game outing and happy hours? If so, do you not believe that a group of Cyclone fans getting together can encourage more support for the University, even at a non-ISU event?

The events you mention aren't likely to raise uncomfortable questions about a polarizing former head coach in a setting that will consist primarily of fans of his new team. Holding an event at a home game coached by the former head coach will undoubtedly cause those questions to be raised, and in answering those questions, it will be quite possible that the answers given by some will not be advantageous to ISU. Like I said before, how are you going to answer the question of why DM was asked to resign from ISU in a way that doesn't make ISU look bad or that doesn't slight DM or UNT?

On your second point, if this flies in the face of the ISUAA's stated goal, couldn't the leadership in Ames have turned down the request to help out with this event? If they think it's ok, why don't some on here agree?

They could have. Of course, such an action would make them look petty and vindictive to those who wanted the have the event. It puts the ISU AA leadership in Ames in a no-win situation.

[cyhiphopp]

Personally, it doesn't bother me that they want to get together to go to the game. I think the money would be better spent donating to ISU but maybe the networking will lead to them filling a bus to go to Waco.


The only reason I got riled up is because I dislike the attitude that DMac was the best coach we have or ever will have. I don't think getting together a DMac fan club for a UNT game is the best idea, but whatever.

Personally, I would like to put the DMac era in the past. He did some good things, and some bad things. It's over now. Good luck to him at UNT. I wish him well.

[creightonclone]

The events you mention aren't likely to raise uncomfortable questions about a polarizing former head coach in a setting that will consist primarily of fans of his new team. Holding an event at a home game coached by the former head coach will undoubtedly cause those questions to be raised, and in answering those questions, it will be quite possible that the answers given by some will not be advantageous to ISU. Like I said before, how are you going to answer the question of why DM was asked to resign from ISU in a way that doesn't make ISU look bad or that doesn't slight DM or UNT?



They could have. Of course, such an action would make them look petty and vindictive to those who wanted the have the event. It puts the ISU AA leadership in Ames in a no-win situation.

How is Dan McCarney a polarizing coach? I can't believe some of the stuff written about Coach Mac today. I can't believe some "fans" are throwing ISU's winningest coach under the bus.

You saying polarizing, I say most beloved.

[cyhiphopp]

How is Dan McCarney a polarizing coach? I can't believe some of the stuff written about Coach Mac today. I can't believe some "fans" are throwing ISU's winningest coach under the bus.

You saying polarizing, I say most beloved.

Do you understand what polarizing means?

DMac is not freaking Joe Paterno. Some people still love him like you, and some are pretty ticked off that he ****** away chances at a North title. Can you not understand that?

Dmac has the most wins, but I'm pretty sure he also has the most losses.

[jbhtexas]

How is Dan McCarney a polarizing coach?
I can't believe some of the stuff written about Coach Mac today. I can't believe some "fans" are throwing ISU's winningest coach under the bus.

You just answered your own question.

You saying polarizing, I say most beloved.

Cool!