Patrick Neal >= Rashawn Parker

**jburke** · 08-31-2011, 11:49 AM

Does everyone think that Neal's production this year will be greater than Parker's last year. I know that he is the listed at back up but with the rotation that is planned he will see the field plenty, I think with his motor and heart and the mass and strength that he has put on that the pressure that he and Scott can add will only benefit us more, I look for big things here...

**TitanClone** · 08-31-2011, 11:54 AM

Patrick Neal != good

**BryceC** · 08-31-2011, 12:11 PM

Considering Neal isn't in the starting lineup, and Parker didn't do much last year, this seems like a really strange post.

**mustangcy** · 08-31-2011, 12:20 PM

Patrick Neal is going to benifit maybe the most from having more depth at DE. He is not a guy that can give you a lot of reps physically but as a guy that comes in with his motor red hot...then he can be a difference maker.

**zwclones51** · 08-31-2011, 12:22 PM

How come only white guys are said to have high motors?

**bostrem00** · 08-31-2011, 12:25 PM

Because they're scrappy

**Senolcyc** · 08-31-2011, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by zwclones51

How come only white guys are said to have high motors?

Because we're so un-athletic that a high motor is the only explanation for some degree of on field success.

**sdillon500** · 08-31-2011, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by zwclones51

How come only white guys are said to have high motors?

Code for not being an exceptional athlete. Guys like Jimmer Fredette, David Eckstein, Danny Woodhead; they always have high motors, never-quit attitudes, and they're scrappy, gutty players. See Fire Joe Morgan's analysis of the phenomenon.

Also fun, when watching MNF football, wait for Jon Gruden to start a sentence with "This guy right here..." If this is immediately followed by, "Is just a gamer/gritty/scrappy player," 90% of the time he's talking about a white guy. Fun times.

**StLouisClone** · 08-31-2011, 12:31 PM

I'm more interested in seeing if we can compare any of the newcomers to Jason Berryman. We need difference-makers at the DE position if we ever hope to finish in the Top 3 of the Big 12. Let's hope guys like David Irving have that ability.

**sdillon500** · 08-31-2011, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by StLouisClone

I'm more interested in seeing if we can compare any of the newcomers to Jason Berryman. We need difference-makers at the DE position if we ever hope to finish in the Top 3 of the Big 12. Let's hope guys like David Irving have that ability.

I wouldn't expect much out of David Irving immediately. He's got great size & is a good athlete, but I think he only started playing football a few years ago; plus he's pretty young. I think he'll be a great player eventually, but he'll probably redshirt this year; and look for him to start making an impact in a few years.

**Tre4ISU** · 08-31-2011, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by mustangcy

Patrick Neal is going to benifit maybe the most from having more depth at DE. He is not a guy that can give you a lot of reps physically but as a guy that comes in with his motor red hot...then he can be a difference maker.

That's not really the story I've heard on Neal. I've heard that he's kind of an ironman.

**CyCloned** · 08-31-2011, 12:40 PM

Neal is not as undersized as Parker was, and lets not forget that Parker had a really bad injury that he probably never fully recovered from. Neal also will benefit from having a real strength coach. It should be interesting to see what happens when the Clones have enough DEs that guys can go full out every play.

**Rhoadhoused** · 08-31-2011, 12:57 PM

I don't really expect much out of Neal. My expectations are higher for Maggit since he adds a pass rush which was the worst part of our team last year, and it wasn't even close.

Having a pass rush would make our defense so much incredibly better and give our DBs and Safetys a ton of help. We would go from a bend but don't break to more of a dominant defense that can control games. That is my hope with Lattimer and Neal.

**jburke** · 08-31-2011, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by CyCloned

Neal is not as undersized as Parker was, and lets not forget that Parker had a really bad injury that he probably never fully recovered from. Neal also will benefit from having a real strength coach. It should be interesting to see what happens when the Clones have enough DEs that guys can go full out every play.

Disagree by senior year both are almost at identical size, 6ft, 250ish....

**jburke** · 08-31-2011, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused

I don't really expect much out of Neal. My expectations are higher for Maggit since he adds a pass rush which was the worst part of our team last year, and it wasn't even close.

Having a pass rush would make our defense so much incredibly better and give our DBs and Safetys a ton of help. We would go from a bend but don't break to more of a dominant defense that can control games. That is my hope with Lattimer and Neal.

I don't know Kron is ready after his Grayshirt to play but it would be nice to have a 5-6 man rotation, with no drop off, I think in order to have that Nelson needs to show he can do something other that rush the QB, (Lattimer, Maggitt, Neal, Scott, Nelson and Kron) would be very nice, I hope Irving can RS, it would have huge benefit down the road....