***OFFICIAL IOWA STATE TO THE BIG EAST THREAD***

[BCClone]

I'm not sure what is in the bylaws, so I don't know where the breaking point is for when we no longer seem to exist as a conference. I'm talking in the legal sense, not the "are they any good and does anybody care about them" sense. Usually it's when you lose OVER half your members, we have 10 now, so as long as 5 hold out we might still be a conference and exit fees are in force.

SMU and a couple others are chomping at the bit to get in, take their applications to show we will have enough members if we choose to continue and then rewrite the exit fees (or by that time ESPN and others will have knocked our TV contract down and we can justify lower exit fees) and walk out. A lot of hoops, but for 30 million you can set them unfire for me.

Plus, we can at least get a little redemption knowing that we stuck it to the Texas boys a little. Kinda like the one thread comparing this to prision rape, at least they catch something from us for doing it.

[CyBroncos]

Texas runs the conference, they won't pay anything and neither will the schools leaving with them

[BCClone]

We dont need to play one more year. If they leave, all we have to do is survive one more day without them. We get lined up to the BE, let them leave, one day later keep TV money and go shut it down. Amazingly release a conference schedule with BE schools and start new conference.

Going to be tough, but a chance

[erikbj]

Why is the big 10 not looked at? They will eventually need to go to 16+ teams. Why not look at the angle too?

[BCClone]

B10 has Iowa, we don't bring enough to B10, just have to split revenues in a state they already have presence.

[erikbj]

B10 has Iowa, we don't bring enough to B10, just have to split revenues in a state they already have presence.

then why does the Pac-12 take OU and OSU? I would think that is an avenue that JP needs to look at before just accepting the Big East. BE great for basketball, horrible for football recruiting.

[BooneCy]

Let's not pretend that Pollard hadn't looked at every angle. The Big 10 wasn't looking to save us last year. Why would they this year?

[colbycheese]

I'm not sure what is in the bylaws, so I don't know where the breaking point is for when we no longer seem to exist as a conference. I'm talking in the legal sense, not the "are they any good and does anybody care about them" sense. Usually it's when you lose OVER half your members, we have 10 now, so as long as 5 hold out we might still be a conference and exit fees are in force.

SMU and a couple others are chomping at the bit to get in, take their applications to show we will have enough members if we choose to continue and then rewrite the exit fees (or by that time ESPN and others will have knocked our TV contract down and we can justify lower exit fees) and walk out. A lot of hoops, but for 30 million you can set them unfire for me.

Plus, we can at least get a little redemption knowing that we stuck it to the Texas boys a little. Kinda like the one thread comparing this to prision rape, at least they catch something from us for doing it.

If I remember correctly from June, 2010, to dissolve the conference requires 2/3 vote (I think, or at least half of the members +1). If four bolt to the 12 Pac, and Aggies go SEC, then there's still enough members to not dissolve the conference, thus letting the forgotten 5 collect the exit fees.

[isuno1fan]

I think Mizzou will be the 14th team in the SEC.

KU/KSU/ISU to the Big East.

Let's hope so...if they go P12 instead of Tech, I don't like our chances to get in the BE if they only take 3. I think they'd go KU, KSU, & Tech. I know KSU shouldn't get the nod over ISU, but I just think they would for some unjustifiable reason.

[HFCS]

Here is my Big East scenario adding KU/KSU/ISU/BU from Big 12 and ECU, UCF and Memphis

ECU - avg attendance 49K+
UCF - avg attendance 39K+ and solidifies the Florida market
(Compare that to WF and Duke who have 30k or less)
Memphis only had 23K, but they play in a large stadium (Liberty Bowl) and it would be an upgrade, but this would be a basketball move for them.

Scheduling-
FB - 2 8-team divisions - play 7 games in division and 2 outside. rotate the outside games every year, so you play each team every four years and play at each location every 8 years.
BB - 4 6-team divisions - play 10 games (home-away) in division and play 1 other division (6 games) each year. Rotate the division you play. You will play each team outside division every 3 years and play at each location every 6 years.
Tournament - Seed based on division finish because of unbalanced schedule and also can help ensure that you play team from outside division in tournament. All 24 in tournament for 7 day tournament. Either quadruple bye or traditional format.

Here are divisions:


Big East Football

East
Syracuse
Connecticut
Rutgers
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
South Florida
Central Florida
East Carolina

West
Louisville
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Baylor
Texas Christian
Memphis

Big East Basketball

Northeast
Connecticut
Providence
St. John's
Seton Hall
Rutgers
Syracuse

Mid Atlantic
Pittsburgh
Georgetown
West Virginia
Villanova
East Carolina
Cincinnati

Midwest
Marquette
DePaul
Notre Dame
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

South
Texas Christian
Baylor
South Florida
Central Florida
Louisville
Memphis

Love it.

Love it even more that ISU would play within 1.5 hours of Chicago 3 times a year! That is a SALTY division, but DePaul has been about as bad as can be for almost a decade.

[isuno1fan]

Texas runs the conference, they won't pay anything and neither will the schools leaving with them

This

[isuno1fan]

I'm sure this will bill looked into closely. If it takes 5 teams staying to keep the conference going, the Big12 can still withhold money from the teams. ISU KU KSU MU BU can delay their official moves a year if that's what it takes. BigEast would be happy to accommodate timing.

Actually, I don't know if this is fact or not, but I read the BE has to announce its teams by Sept 14 or somewhere around there before final negotiation of their TV contract. I think if we are included it would need to be known by then.

[erikbj]

Let's not pretend that Pollard hadn't looked at every angle. The Big 10 wasn't looking to save us last year. Why would they this year?

if the SEC goes to 16 and the Pac-12 goes to 16, they will probably need to follow suit......they are not going to poach anyone from the SEC, i would guess the ACC / BE have some kind of merger with football schools and the Big East becomes just a basketball conference. That's just how i kind of see it playing out.

Also adding ISU, KU and KSU to the BE make the conference any better at football? The BE is a laughing stock when it comes to BCS and bowl season. Wouldn't be suprised if the BCS kicks the BE out, then you have the Big 10, SEC, Pac-12 and ACC as the four conferences in the BCS.

[hobbes]

I'm not sure what is in the bylaws, so I don't know where the breaking point is for when we no longer seem to exist as a conference. . . .

I think the bylaws talk about a quorum of 75% of members to vote on issues. So for TX OU etc to vote to dissolve the conference, you'd need 8 votes. So maybe the minimum number of remaining schools could be 3.

Big12 bylaws

[Al_4_State]

Let's hope so...if they go P12 instead of Tech, I don't like our chances to get in the BE if they only take 3. I think they'd go KU, KSU, & Tech. I know KSU shouldn't get the nod over ISU, but I just think they would for some unjustifiable reason.

I think in that case you might see Tech in the SEC.


RE Baylor: I don't think they get the call unless the Big East looks to go beyond 12, which wouldn't shock me one bit.

I could see all the Big 12 leftover plus ECU/UCF ending up there and it going to 16.