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You're forgetting Notre Dame is sitting out there too and the B1G is not going to expand without them meaning between the SEC and the B1G there will only be five spots available and nine teams in the merger to fill them. Four teams are going to get left behind. I'm not extremely confident in those odds.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNCyGuy
Obviously, on paper it looks like we would see less capital developments.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNCyGuy
With this administration, you never know. Maybe they manage to sell increased donations as an audition for the next round, and that fuels some real progress. Every team in this league has to have one eye towards that, anyway.
Or maybe the local billionaire makes that decision to invest.....
Right now if Texas and OU can get their **** straightened out the Big XII could potentially be the first conference to 16. Big XII would be at 9 schools and could add Cincy, Louisville, West Virginia, BYU, TCU, and potentially UCONN, and Rutgers if they can convince them that the ACC isn't the way to go. This would expand the Big XII footprint into the east coast. This would give the Big XII a great opportunity to approach Texas and ESPN about rebranding the LHN into a Big XII Network. Texas keeps talking about how they want to remain in the Big XII... well I think it is time to ask them to put their money where their mouth is. A Big XII super-conference network with those schools added would generate far more money then the LHN so Texas would not be giving up that much money then what they would get. It would probably double the value if not triple the value due to the new increased media markets and demand it could generate across an area that stretches over half of the United States. This would also allow the Fox tv deal to be restructured and probably get more money and ESPN would surely want to renegotiate the current tier 1 deal to make sure they lock the conference up for tv rights. It would be a huge increase in tv money on all accounts and with that large increase comes the proper time for the conference to impose a higher exit fee to keep teams from bolting.
Cincinnatti, Louisville, USF, Baylor, TCU, Kansas State. Do you see more than 2 of those schools getting picked up by the Big Ten and SEC if they go 16?Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnysideup
For my money, IF it happens:
Big Ten: Notre Dame, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
SEC: West Virginia, Mizzou, TCU/USF/Baylor.
That would be a pretty rough BBall league, even without throwing Nova, Marquette, St. Johns, ND, SH, Depaul and Providence into the mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNCyGuy
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Originally Posted by MNCyGuy
Your kidding yourself if you think the Big Ten has been sitting back for the past couple years since all this re-alignment stuff started happening and hasn't been preparing for who they want to pick up. Delaney is a smart man, and I guarantee you he knows exactly what schools he wants to add. I'm sorry but I just don't see Delaney and the Big Ten being forced into adding any schools who they don't really want or who doesn't add the value to the conference that he is looking for.
Look....I am going to have to go through a mourning period if this ends up happening. I thought the Big 12/Big East merger was a bad idea before Pitt and Syracuse left. Now, I think it is total crap. If the remaining schools can decide they are staying then it wouldn't be the most awful thing. But, if worst case happens and West Virginia and Missouri go to SEC, and UConn and Rutgers or Kansas goes ACC. Then for football we are left with a very ugly conference consisting of:
Kansas State
Iowa State
Baylor
TCU
South Florida
Cinn.
Louisville
Kansas or Rutgers
That's awful and frankly would be a disaster on so many levels. It would remain a BCS conference for a while, but they'd be looking to push us out. Ticket prices would have to drop by a large amount. Paul Rhoads doesn't love Iowa State enough to stick around past a couple of years for that group.
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2121
Who they going to add then?
Everyone from the east that they may have wanted will not be available.
The meltdown from the hawk idiots will be glorious if Iowa State gets an invite. Fortunately, people who actually make the decision know that adding Iowa State will add value. If the B1G cares about academics like they say they do, Iowa State will be in the B1G.
There's some truth there, I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that maybe they were going to wait for the right moment to make their move, and maybe they waited a little too long. There are lots of IF's in play. But IF the Big Ten has to go to sixteen to stay competitive in the world of BCS bowl tie-ins, they will have to go west, not east, if the ACC gets all of their targets.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkeye2121
And it's kind of besides the point because I think the only school they really WANT is Notre Dame and the rest of us would just be filler. But whereas the Big Ten may have preferred to fill-in around Notre Dame with Syracuse and Rutgers, that won't be an option now.
Adding value in a tv contract ISU may not bring much to the B1G but in terms of research dollars and potentially being a great research partner for other B1G universities who can expand their research further into fields that ISU is a leader in the nation in... well that makes ISU pretty attractive considering they are in close proximity to B1G universities and they have very good academics (AAU status).Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkeye2121
Wherever we end up, I just pray that dan beebe doesn't follow.
Unless the SEC lays it all out and makes the jump to 16 right away I think the B1G takes whichever team between Mizzou/WV that the SEC doesn't. Both fit the B1G footprint. So that leaves two teams for the B1G to fill. I think Kansas is a no-brainer for them because they bring such a big audience for basketball. So that leaves one spot with ISU, KSU, Louisville, and Cincy as the apparent targets. The B1G won't go after TCU, USF, or Baylor just because if they are going to add a mid-level team they will add one close to home. Out of the four left, my opinion, is that Louisville would be their target, as it gets them into a state they don't have yet, and Louisville brings a mid level football team and a mid to high level basketball team into the fold. Hopefully that's not how it goes but that is my thought process.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNCyGuy
The B1G isn't going to expand simply for the sake of expansion. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Delaney sit back and let the super conferences of the Pac Whatever, SEC, and ACC be the guinea pigs before making any super conference expansion decisions.
If the B1G decides expansion is necessary, they will look for a school that enhances the B1G brand as this is realignment craze is about TV, adding eyeballs, and increasing TV revenue. That's what made adding Nebraska a perfect fit and there's only one school that will do what Nebraska did and that's Notre Dame.
Any Big Ten scenario that has Kansas State is a non starter. Academics are not good enough, and neither is their athletics department.
You forgot that academics do matter to the Big Ten presidents.Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnysideup