Some interesting stats about CPR's ISU teams

Onsides probably get ran back about 1 percent of the time and I feel I'm going high here. Discussions before these things surround around just getting the ball, they don't go past this point. You have about 5-10 seconds before lining up.

If Mac would have taken a knee at the end, then you proved my point. Mac was the king of making bad game day decisions.

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Originally Posted by IcSyU

I think it was Reeves, and that wasn't running up the score. That was a heads up play. Up 7 with a minute to go isn't safe. Putting a TD on the board isn't running up the score, especially with as poorly as the defense was in the second half.

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This. Plus Tech was putting up numbers to play with us too.

If that were DMac's team, it would have folded and quit when Tech staged a comeback in the second half, and would have ended up losing by 24, so if he would or would not have taken a knee is a moot point, since he wouldn't have had the team in the position to do so anyway.

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Originally Posted by clonomaniac

Hey, I am all about running up the score at times, believe me. In this BCS system, you have to, or you will be the last one to get ranked, think Oklahoma vs LSU vs Boise State with the similar record. However, the Texas Tech game the coaching staff may have said a word about not wanting to add that last minute TD.

I also agree that to seal a victory over a Texas team, its very important to take advantage of every situation, you never know what can happen. However, I don't think anyone will argue with me what DMac's team would have done in that scenario. We would have definitely taken a knee!

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Originally Posted by Wesley

Winning games on the road is a change also.....

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This is the biggest change. We don't win at Nebraska (without our starting QB or RB) or at Texas with Dmac or especially Chiz at coach. CPR's teams believe they can win anywhere.

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Originally Posted by clonomaniac

Hey, I am all about running up the score at times, believe me. In this BCS system, you have to, or you will be the last one to get ranked, think Oklahoma vs LSU vs Boise State with the similar record. However, the Texas Tech game the coaching staff may have said a word about not wanting to add that last minute TD.

I also agree that to seal a victory over a Texas team, its very important to take advantage of every situation, you never know what can happen. However, I don't think anyone will argue with me what DMac's team would have done in that scenario. We would have definitely taken a knee!

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You may be right. DMAC may have taken a knee, ran 30 seconds of because Tech had all their timeouts, punted, allowed Tech to score, went to overtime and lost. You don't take a knee when you are up 7 with 2 minutes left.

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Originally Posted by cyrocksmypants

How can you conclude that winning close games means we rely too much on our defense? One has nothing to do with the other. You can win 10-0 in a defensive game or 54-53 in an offensive game. Because you only won by 1 in the latter, does that mean you relied too much on your defense?

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Forcing 8 turnovers to win 9-7 at Nebraska.

Forcing a late turnover deep in our territory to hold off Minnesota to win by 1.

Holding UCONN to 3 points on 3 consecutive possessions due to 3 turnovers inside the ISU 50 in the first quarter and having to knock down a potential game winning hail mary pass.

Yeah.... I think that is relying on the D just a bit too much to win games.

I also disagree with the tech game. 1st, there is a difference between a return for a td and a deep pass. 2nd, what if we went 3 and out? Just recovering didnt win us the game, scoring a td put it out of reach and did win the game.

I agree. But he originally wasn't talking about specific games. He strictly was talking about the stats, and said because our average win difference was a small number, we depended on defense too much. I simply was stating that point differential has nothing to do with which side of the ball you depend on.

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Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78

Forcing 8 turnovers to win 9-7 at Nebraska.

Forcing a late turnover deep in our territory to hold off Minnesota to win by 1.

Holding UCONN to 3 points on 3 consecutive possessions due to 3 turnovers inside the ISU 50 in the first quarter and having to knock down a potential game winning hail mary pass.

Yeah.... I think that is relying on the D just a bit too much to win games.

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Originally Posted by cyrocksmypants

I agree. But he originally wasn't talking about specific games. He strictly was talking about the stats, and said because our average win difference was a small number, we depended on defense too much. I simply was stating that point differential has nothing to do with which side of the ball you depend on.

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Thanks bud. Its nice to see, at times, that people try to understand others' point of view before arguing :) Its all good! We all love CPR and it doesn't hurt to argue to bring more facts out.

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Originally Posted by clonomaniac

When we caught the football on the on site kick, our player (SJ???) took it to the end zone. He didn't have to. The game ends there with 2 minutes remaining, meaning we run the clock for 2 minutes...

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he should have grabbed the onside kick in full stride and then ran out of bounds? dumb, thats not running up the score. running up the score would be dominating a team for 4 quarters, being up 4 to 5 scores, and then on 2nd and 1 from the oppsoing teams 40 throwing a bomb to the endzone for td...

i know your post is about converstaion points... so ill say i dont think we hold our offense back to rely on our d... we just havnt had very good offenses, and my opinion is the cordinators still try to go for big plays when they should.

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Originally Posted by Tedcyclone

he should have grabbed the onside kick in full stride and then ran out of bounds? dumb, thats not running up the score. running up the score would be dominating a team for 4 quarters, being up 4 to 5 scores, and then on 2nd and 1 from the oppsoing teams 40 throwing a bomb to the endzone for td...

i know your post is about converstaion points... so ill say i dont think we hold our offense back to rely on our d... we just havnt had very good offenses, and my opinion is the cordinators still try to go for big plays when they should.

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I am not arguing one way or the other. I am simply saying CPR's team does it right. DMac's team did it wrong. Our program is heading in the right direciton. thats all.

Under CPR Iowa State rarely gets a blow out win. We need to work on that

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Originally Posted by cyclonepower21

Under CPR Iowa State rarely gets a blow out win. We need to work on that

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We are penalyzed way too much. If we can reduce the number of pernalty, we can finally have a good rhythm in each of our offensive drives and score more point.

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Originally Posted by iahawkhunter

This reminds me of a quote I heard recently (don't remember where, may have been the ESPN announcers during the UConn game): Good offense sells tickets, good defense wins games, and good special teams wins championships.

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I might not entirely buy the special teams/championships theory, but it's an oft-ignored element.

It's too soon to tell definitively, but it appears there's an actual deliberate strategy by this coach to develop the special teams. I don't recall seeing that with most ISU coaches — other than maybe having a good kicker, punter, returner just kind of by chance.

I realize the placekicking is giving fans a little hesitation so far this season, but Rhoads did make a choice to split between kickoffs & extra points (which, knock on wood, has been perfect so far). FGs & PATs tend to be the most noticeable aspects of special teams.

But I've seen encouraging trends in the other areas: punting; kick coverage; kick returns.

When I think about the awful punts, poor returns, short kickoffs, blocked punts, etc., over the years ... I'd love the offense to be more efficient, wish the defense was a little less bend/not-break. I'm glad to see special teams isn't treated as an afterthought.

Here's a scary stat I just saw. Is Jantz the devil?
YDS TD INT
666 6 6