Tuck rule explained...

**mt85** · 10-09-2011, 06:12 AM

Tuck rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

College football doesn't have the tuck rule. Because there is no tuck rule the official should not have reversed the call on the field. It all comes down to intent at the college level. Was the QB intending to pass or was he pump faking and lost control of the ball? It is clear that he pump faked and lost the ball, and there is no video evidence that proves otherwise. Therefore, the call on the field should have stood.

It was a horrible game changing call, and if it sucks the life out of me as a fan, can you imagine what it does to the players. It is hard to keep giving your all when the game appears to be rigged against you.

**temperflare** · 10-09-2011, 07:26 AM

Really, all one had to do was watch RGIII immediatly freak out and start chasing the ball to know it was a fumble. The reply ref is an idiot.

**1100011CS** · 10-09-2011, 07:50 AM

Someone needs to be fired and an apology issued to ISU for that game.

**andybernard** · 10-09-2011, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by 1100011CS

Someone needs to be fired and an apology issued to ISU for that game.

Yeah! An apology! That'll make me feel better.

**Madclone1** · 10-09-2011, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by temperflare

Really, all one had to do was watch RGIII immediatly freak out and start chasing the ball to know it was a fumble. The reply ref is an idiot.

Lawyers = officials . . so crooked they have to screw their socks on in the morning.

Seriously, I started a thread about these issues last week . . . and you'd be surprised at how many pinheads we have defending this sort of CRAP . . on this board.

Here is their take:

Lawyers/officials have not increased the number of penalties by average over the years . . hence, we complain too much.

The primary problem with their argument . . . discretion used for "non calls" (e.g. nope, I didn't see that . . and you can't do anything about itl), game changing calls (what is a fumble or not), official time outs (to review plays), personality conflicts (e.g. I don't like X coach, X team, or X school), hide behind statistics (e.g. one team has 2 penalties another team has 10 but the average is 6 . . so that is okay by their definition of fairness) . . . . on and on and on.

OFFICIATING is becoming a MAJOR factor in all levels of competition.

Part of the problem . . . IMHO, the officiating profession is now composed of wanna be incompetents, obsessive compulsive perfectionists, and drama queens who love TV exposure, not to mention the mean petty little whimps who love either sticking it to the crowd or playing to them (whatever fits their particular whim of the day).

Like I said last week, the game of football is starting to morph into a immobilized behemoth because we have forfeited too much power and control over to these on field lawyers. We should expect nothing less than chaos, anger and frustration as this new type of game progresses.

The ole "the ref is always right" and their 'aint nothing you can do about it . . trumps reason, accountability, and fairness every time.

Solution: CHANGE "closed door" or "in house" evaluations by officials evaluating officials TO peer reviews by coaches, fans, and other non conference affiliated officials. FIRE any lawyer/official blowing 2 calls in any one season. PERIOD. In other words . . become obsessive compulsive perfectionists on obsessive compulsive perfectionists by holding them accountable. FIRE em all and start over.

**06_CY** · 10-09-2011, 08:17 AM

No doubt it was a fumble. The ball clearly slips out of his hand; not caused by the throwing motion.

**cygrads** · 10-09-2011, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by mt85

Tuck rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

College football doesn't have the tuck rule. Because there is no tuck rule the official should not have reversed the call on the field. It all comes down to intent at the college level. Was the QB intending to pass or was he pump faking and lost control of the ball? It is clear that he pump faked and lost the ball, and there is no video evidence that proves otherwise. Therefore, the call on the field should have stood.

It was a horrible game changing call, and if it sucks the life out of me as a fan, can you imagine what it does to the players. It is hard to keep giving your all when the game appears to be rigged against you.

Originally Posted by temperflare

Really, all one had to do was watch RGIII immediatly freak out and start chasing the ball to know it was a fumble. The reply ref is an idiot.

If intent is the rule RGIII's actions tell it all - this was a huge call that went against ISU - I don't know why so many of these calls go against ISU, I can't believe they really want to screw over ISU but it it getting to the point that the famous saying "You're not paranoid if they're really out to get you!"

**CST8WIN** · 10-09-2011, 09:06 AM

How are these refs penalized for multiple poor mistakes? I'm sure they get graded, etc. after the game, but how do people/universities find out about this. Can ISU submit complaints about refs? With 3 obvious poor calls (RGIII fumble, onside kick offsides and woody td overturn) there has to be some kind of penalty for these refs.

Who were the refs in this game? What can we do to draw attention to this poor work? I know if i performed this way at work I would not have a job.

**iowaboy** · 10-09-2011, 09:10 AM

Its the old addage as to "why does the dog lick his backside?" BECAUSE HE CAN!

A few years ago Kansas had TEXAS beat with two min to go after they caught a pass for a 1st down. The Official threw a flag and called the KU kid for pass interference (OFFENSIVE) The replay clearly showed he did not push off. Call stood and texas got the ball back and pulled it out. It was a BCS, season changing call. It was worth tens of MILLIONS to have Texas win that game. mangino the KU coach said we all saw it..... we all know what happened....... we all know why. IT"S ALL ABOUT MONEY.

ISU is a nobody. We mean zero to the overall scheme of things. We are the 5th grader with a snotty nose. They are going to continue to rub our faces in it until we have had enough and start overwhelming those that do. Have you had enough yet?

BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE- until morale improves. IB

**Senolcyc** · 10-09-2011, 09:17 AM

There is no tuck rule in college --- so there is no point to bringing it up.

Like it or not, his arm was coming forward and the ball slipped out. Intent doesn't matter. It's an incomplete pass.

Iowa State probably would have gotten ****ed on a replay had the roles been reversed. It would have been ruled a fumble had Jantz done it. Because the Big 12 by-laws include a section on ******* Iowa State.

**andybernard** · 10-09-2011, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Senolcyc

There is no tuck rule in college --- so there is no point to bringing it up.

Like it or not, his arm was coming forward and the ball slipped out. Intent doesn't matter. It's an incomplete pass.

Iowa State probably would have gotten ****ed on a replay had the roles been reversed. It would have been ruled a fumble had Jantz done it. Because the Big 12 by-laws include a section on ******* Iowa State.

Rule 9.23b states: If a play is reviewed during a game in which Iowa State University is participating, all other rules are nullified. The call must go against Iowa State, and if you are bored and feel like adding a penalty against the Cyclones as well, go ahead, it'll be funny.

**ISUAlum2002** · 10-09-2011, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Senolcyc

There is no tuck rule in college --- so there is no point to bringing it up.

Like it or not, his arm was coming forward and the ball slipped out. Intent doesn't matter. It's an incomplete pass.

Iowa State probably would have gotten ****ed on a replay had the roles been reversed. It would have been ruled a fumble had Jantz done it. Because the Big 12 by-laws include a section on ******* Iowa State.

I think you're misinterpreting the tuck rule. The NFL has the tuck rule, that being that if it is obvious that the QB is intending to tuck the ball back in after a pump fake but loses control of the ball, it cannot be ruled a fumble. College football does not have the tuck rule. Therefore, it is completely ruled based on the intent of the QB. If it is determined that the QB did not intend to throw the ball but lost control of it anyway, it is a fumble, regardless of the forward motion of the throwing arm. It was obvious that he intended on pulling the pump fake back and did not intend to throw the ball. It was correctly ruled on the field and incorrectly overturned on review.

**berther48** · 10-09-2011, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by CST8WIN

How are these refs penalized for multiple poor mistakes? I'm sure they get graded, etc. after the game, but how do people/universities find out about this. Can ISU submit complaints about refs? With 3 obvious poor calls (RGIII fumble, onside kick offsides and woody td overturn) there has to be some kind of penalty for these refs.

Who were the refs in this game? What can we do to draw attention to this poor work? I know if i performed this way at work I would not have a job.

Here are the officals.

Officials: Referee: Matt Loeffler; Umpire: Jim Adams; Linesman: Bill Scott;
Line judge: Keith Garmond; Back judge: Terry White; Field judge: Randy Smith;
Side judge: Anthony Fleming; Scorer: R. Fogleman;

Maybe we (Cyclone Fanatic Nation) should all send our opnions to the BIG 12 but who on this list do we complain to?
Let our voices be heard before we get SCREWED at Mizzou.

Paul can't comment BUT WE CAN!
Lets back up our coaches and players and be HEARD!

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**Senolcyc** · 10-09-2011, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by ISUAlum2002

Therefore, it is completely ruled based on the intent of the QB.

So the rule is based on mind reading? I don't think so, but I don't have the rule book open in front of me, either.

It wasn't a "pump fake" so much as a last split second decision not to throw the ball and it slipped out anyway. But his arm was coming forward to throw.

Like I said before, the Big 12 officials will **** ISU in any way they can find to do it.

**ISUAlum2002** · 10-09-2011, 09:36 AM

You're right that it wasn't really a "pump fake" in the conventional sense, but it was clear that he had no intention to throw the ball with the forward motion of his arm....that's what makes it a fumble.