Offense- year 3

[CP44]

Without knowing it, you just gave the best reason why Herman has not done a good job. Execution is a direct reflection of coaching. Good coaches don't settle for poor execution in practice. I wonder why snyder can put together offenses with a former receiver at QB and. Guess what, they execute.

Good coaches demand excellence and find ways to use the strengths of their players. Your argument is an indictment of Herman.

Comparing Herman to Snyder is asinine. One is a coaching legend who has already led KState to prominence once before, the other is a young coach who is still a coordinator.

Also, our offense is 10x more complex than theirs, AND theirs is barely ranked in the top 100. The only reason they are where they are is defense.

[dualthreat]

As much as it pains me to say it, "hermans guys" might not be around yet. Maybe not until year 4-5 or 6. Do u think as soon as he was hired he instantly brought in every guy he wanted? No, we were 2-10 and have no tradition. He has to win with what he has.

And the awful amounts of turnovers and penalties NEED to be mentioned.

[BBHMagic]

Without knowing it, you just gave the best reason why Herman has not done a good job. Execution is a direct reflection of coaching. Good coaches don't settle for poor execution in practice. I wonder why snyder can put together offenses with a former receiver at QB and. Guess what, they execute.

Good coaches demand excellence and find ways to use the strengths of their players. Your argument is an indictment of Herman.

Wait, so your saying a coach can take just any old quarterback (even one that's only played 12 games at quarterback in his life), and turn them Big XII ready immediately? I didn't realize the player themselves didn't have anything to do with it. Dang I should have been a quarterback. Getting a scholarship to play football sure would have beat paying for college. But maybe I should stop talking because I'm proving the opposite of what I'm saying.

[berther48]

Tom hermans play calling is brutal and everyone here knows it.

Oh yea! Lets look at your Pro team selection?
Winners???????
Nope, so you don't make very good choices.
If your so great with you hind sight vision, go to DMAC get your coaching certificate and go coach a football team. Post your videos here and with our perfect hind sight we will evaluate you!
Lets see if you can earn a living being a coach.
Player execution, player injuries, player mistakes, penalties left three potential scores on the field.
Strange, you can't put up, and you won't shut up.
We won, move on, look ahead, thats why your eyes are on front of your face, so stop bending over to view life through your legs, not a good view is it!

[CloneSolo]

Your comparison has one glaring hole. You can fire and hire as you please. He can't. There's two pieces to it.

1. He can't just get rid of the old parts.

2. He can't just bring in uber talented kids right away to replace them. Right now, we are ISU. We have to recruit and develop. When we look at the young guys like West and Gary who have both been impressive in their action, along with Chris Young, I think there is improvement in the pipeline. Just wait until you see Bundrage, Daniels and Ecby in a couple years along with Harris, West, and Lampkin. The talent is better. If we get 2-3 years down the road and we aren't executing well then it's time to move on but he can't just replace people as he pleases. He has so many more limiting factors in his situation.

Remember I said in my analogy, it is not an apples to apples comparison. We could list all the differences in my analogy. Let me start, he gets paid a whole lot more. I believe he has a $250,000 / year salary good through 2011. This is a lot of money for not a great deal of improvement -- this is fact. This means that at the end of this year a decision has to be made. If Coach Rhoads believes the pieces are there -- see highlighted, and elects to extend his contract for another 3 years then we have invested over $1.5 million and not gotten much ROI. When do we say he just doesn't have what it takes? I can't answer this question, but I don't know if I am willing to invest another 3 years and $750,000 in this guy. I think that his contract should be on a year-to-year basis at this point. I am not against giving him another year with his recruits, but considerable improvement needs to be seen. I just don't think he has earned much at this point.

[D UP Clones]

Comparing Herman to Snyder is asinine. One is a coaching legend who has already led KState to prominence once before, the other is a young coach who is still a coordinator.

Also, our offense is 10x more complex than theirs, AND theirs is barely ranked in the top 100. The only reason they are where they are is defense.

OK, genius, Ill compare him to a good high school OC who doesn't get to choose his players. Oh, dang it, that didn't work so well for him either. Those coaches manage to get their offenses to execute.

Your entire argument is ridiculous. Its the OC's job to make the offense work. He has enough talent to do that and has had since he has been here. Do you really believe ISU has less offensive talent than 100 D I schools.

UNI's offense looked better. Get a clue.

[nhclone]

OK, genius, Ill compare him to a good high school OC who doesn't get to choose his players. Oh, dang it, that didn't work so well for him either. Those coaches manage to get their offenses to execute.

Your entire argument is ridiculous. Its the OC's job to make the offense work. He has enough talent to do that and has had since he has been here. Do you really believe ISU has less offensive talent than 100 D I schools.

UNI's offense looked better. Get a clue.

Ok here we go:
1) After 9 games, we're ranked 60th in total offense 60=/=100
2) Of those teams ahead of us, our SOS is better than almost any.
3) We're currently a middle of the pack offense (based on 1 and 2) despite being one of the most turnover-prone teams in the country.
4) Yes, I do think our talent on O is middle of the pack in the FBS. Plenty of young talent on the team, but our upperclassmen are average for the FBS, and our numbers confirm that.

[Wesley]

Looks like we have also shown we are a three turnover team.

[Bigguns]

Figure it out for yourself. Do you really think I'm just cooking numbers? It's basic math, current total yards, divided by 9 games played and multiplied by twelve. The averages stay the same because they are averages. If you want the current numbers...you can find them on almost any sports site.

Is it going to be exact? No, it is an estimate; however, nine samples is enough to get a fairly good estimate and I wouldn't be surprised to see my estimates pretty close to the final stats.

I don't think the #'s are cooked just slanted, The records of our 1st 9 opponents don't compare to the records of our last 3 so why should the stats? Is is easy to project progress after we have played the softest part of our schedule. I hope you are right just very skeptical.

[Rural]

Remember I said in my analogy, it is not an apples to apples comparison. We could list all the differences in my analogy. Let me start, he gets paid a whole lot more. I believe he has a $250,000 / year salary good through 2011. This is a lot of money for not a great deal of improvement -- this is fact. This means that at the end of this year a decision has to be made. If Coach Rhoads believes the pieces are there -- see highlighted, and elects to extend his contract for another 3 years then we have invested over $1.5 million and not gotten much ROI. When do we say he just doesn't have what it takes? I can't answer this question, but I don't know if I am willing to invest another 3 years and $750,000 in this guy. I think that his contract should be on a year-to-year basis at this point. I am not against giving him another year with his recruits, but considerable improvement needs to be seen. I just don't think he has earned much at this point.

I would bet that the Head Coach knows the answer (yay or nay). Stay tuned.

[Tre4ISU]

Without knowing it, you just gave the best reason why Herman has not done a good job. Execution is a direct reflection of coaching. Good coaches don't settle for poor execution in practice. I wonder why snyder can put together offenses with a former receiver at QB and. Guess what, they execute.

Good coaches demand excellence and find ways to use the strengths of their players. Your argument is an indictment of Herman.

Nice try. KSU is where they are because of defense. Their offense sucks. I'm not going to argue on the rest because my guess is that it would be a tremendous waste of my time.

[khaal53]

If I'm looking at the numbers correctly, OU is allowing 360 yards a game, not exactly the greatest defense I've ever seen.

Going back a few pages...the numbers supporting my claim that Oklahoma is the best defense we'll face this year (despite giving up 360 yards/gm):

Yes, OU is 45th in yards given up per game but their defense is on the field for an avg of 73.4 plays/gm (22nd most in NCAA) and 17.2 possessions/gm (most in the NCAA--Only 7 other schools avg 16+ defensive poss per game).

Meanwhile...they allow just 4.9 yards/play (27th best-Only Texas is rated ahead of them from teams ISU has played), allow TDs on just 12.9% of possessions (8th best in NCAA-behind Texas that is 12.2%), and allow 1.48 points/possession (7th best in NCAA).

Texas gives them more of a run for their money than I would've guessed.

[Cyclophile1]

Nice try. KSU is where they are because of defense. Their offense sucks. I'm not going to argue on the rest because my guess is that it would be a tremendous waste of my time.

They put up 45 points on OSU in Stillwater. I would take that from us no questions asked and regardless of the outcome in Ames on 11/12.

[Tre4ISU]

Going back a few pages...the numbers supporting my claim that Oklahoma is the best defense we'll face this year (despite giving up 360 yards/gm):

Yes, OU is 45th in yards given up per game but their defense is on the field for an avg of 73.4 plays/gm (22nd most in NCAA) and 17.2 possessions/gm (most in the NCAA--Only 7 other schools avg 16+ defensive poss per game).

Meanwhile...they allow just 4.9 yards/play (27th best-Only Texas is rated ahead of them from teams ISU has played), allow TDs on just 12.9% of possessions (8th best in NCAA-behind Texas that is 12.2%), and allow 1.48 points/possession (7th best in NCAA).

Texas gives them more of a run for their money than I would've guessed.

So we are are looking at something pretty close to Texas. That would have been my guess. That Texas defense is pretty good.

They put up 45 points on OSU in Stillwater. I would take that from us no questions asked and regardless of the outcome in Ames on 11/12.

We put up 41 on Tech in Lubbock. Neither defense is all that good. As for the 12th, you're probably right. We probably won't put up that many point. Who knows what could happen when we play OSU though.