Barkley Hill

**cyhiphopp** · 11-14-2011, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by CrossCyed

Iowa State players who get hurt and are on scholarship are often allowed to keep their scholarship and it doesn't count against the limit as long as they work for the team in some way.

Do they have to be on campus already though? Just askin.

**CrossCyed** · 11-14-2011, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by cyhiphopp

Do they have to be on campus already though? Just askin.

No clue.

**jay moe** · 11-14-2011, 11:55 AM

No way no how, we need him to recover and become a Cyclone. Can't believe the topic was even brought up.

**Clark** · 11-14-2011, 11:56 AM

I don't think you want to set the precedent of pulling a guys scholly after he gets hurt, especially a local guy. You pull his offer after he committed and you've just burned at least one bridge and most likely more. HS coaches don't appreciate that and they have long memories.

Besides, if after he gets on campus it's determined he can't play anymore the school can put him on a medical leave (or whatever it's called) which allows the kid to keep the scholarship but doesn't count against the football roster.

**Clark** · 11-14-2011, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by cyhiphopp

Do they have to be on campus already though? Just askin.

I believe so. That said, it's not like ISU has never oversigned before. This would be one situation where oversigning is understandable.

I don't think this would fly though only because I'm sure Hill wants a chance to play at some point.

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 11-14-2011, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Tre4ISU

This is way more ridiculous than the original question. Hill won't ever be a DB and if he is he won't see the field. Maybe linebacker but he will not be a DB.

Why?

**weR138** · 11-14-2011, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Clark

I don't think you want to set the precedent of pulling a guys scholly after he gets hurt, especially a local guy. You pull his offer after he committed and you've just burned at least one bridge and most likely more. HS coaches don't appreciate that and they have long memories.

Besides, if after he gets on campus it's determined he can't play anymore the school can put him on a medical leave (or whatever it's called) which allows the kid to keep the scholarship but doesn't count against the football roster.

Bingo. PR will always honor an Iowan's scholarship offer who gets hurt.

**Yes13** · 11-14-2011, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy

Why?

Watch him play. NOT a DB

**ribsnwhiskey** · 11-14-2011, 12:05 PM

It is a dumb question. First, we've taken plenty of guys who have serious injuries while in high school (Quinton Pompey most recently). Second, yeah that seems like a typical Paul Rhoads move.

Glad to see you guys have been paying attention to how he runs his program.

Finally, stop the Scales comparisons. They are not even close to being similar players.

**cyhiphopp** · 11-14-2011, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy

Why?

He doesn't look like he has the straight line speed or fluid hips to be a DB. He also has a pretty big frame so he could fill out a bit. Hopefully he does not lose much speed with the injury and can still play RB. If not, hopefully he has enough explosiveness to develop at LB.

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 11-14-2011, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by cyhiphopp

He doesn't look like he has the straight line speed or fluid hips to be a DB. He also has a pretty big frame so he could fill out a bit. Hopefully he does not lose much speed with the injury and can still play RB. If not, hopefully he has enough explosiveness to develop at LB.

Thanks for the analysis. I have never seen him play, but at 6'0" 190, he would be as big as some of our defensive backs.

**jburke** · 11-14-2011, 12:17 PM

You don't pull it, he is a recruit for the future anyway, with all the depth ahead of him he would not see the field next year anyway.....

**iowaboy** · 11-14-2011, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneVet

Tore his ACL against Bettendorf. Do we pull his offer, is he worth the trouble? Too bad for such a good kid. The Cedar Falls coaches shouldnt have run him 30-35 times a game.

Bettendorf was owning them at the time. Should of called it a day.

**CloneSolo** · 11-14-2011, 12:52 PM

I think people who are ripping the thread should take a step back. The OP didn't say he would be in favor of pulling the offer, just that it was an option. Personally, I don't think it should be pulled. I think that Paul Rhoads is always saying here at Iowa State "we do things the right way" to me this is would not be the right thing. However, don't kid yourselves that this hasn't been discussed by coaches on any FBS coaching staff even our own staff in this situation. The facts are that there are only so many scholarships available and each one is important especially for ISU. We don't have the luxury of recruiting 4-5 star studs that if one fizzles we just go to the stable. Our program is built on those kids that have potential, but need work in the weight room and to be "coached up". Even though ACLs are very fixable any many athletes come back, it is still an injury that has the potential to decrease the ceiling for him -- fact. This is not as clear cut as many people make it. We tend to answer with emotion first, but if posters think about all involved, there is a gamble to each side.

**Yes13** · 11-14-2011, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by CloneSolo

I think people who are ripping the thread should take a step back. The OP didn't say he would be in favor of pulling the offer, just that it was an option. Personally, I don't think it should be pulled. I think that Paul Rhoads is always saying here at Iowa State "we do things the right way" to me this is would not be the right thing. However, don't kid yourselves that this hasn't been discussed by coaches on any FBS coaching staff even our own staff in this situation. The facts are that there are only so many scholarships available and each one is important especially for ISU. We don't have the luxury of recruiting 4-5 star studs that if one fizzles we just go to the stable. Our program is built on those kids that have potential, but need work in the weight room and to be "coached up". Even though ACLs are very fixable any many athletes come back, it is still an injury that has the potential to decrease the ceiling for him -- fact. This is not as clear cut as many people make it. We tend to answer with emotion first, but if posters think about all involved, there is a gamble to each side.

You put too much thought into something that isn't going to happen. The staff has been recruiting the guy since he was a sophomore. They are not going to throw all that time away because the guy got hurt. He has 2 years to get back healthy. He will probably be back to full strength this summer, and he'll likely have a full year to get even stronger and faster.