Offensive Future at Wide Receiver

[ISUFan22]

Reynolds has 7 TDs and a 16 yards/catch average, with two more games to go. Hardly a disappointment imo. I am not disappointed in Darks, after watching him the past couple of years he has played like most anticipated.

He also had 6 of those td's in the first 3-4 games since then only 1 with A LOT of drops! Overall, his season stats will be okay but not where they could/should be.

Same with every ISU WR sans Blythe in 20004/05. If you expected him to put up 10 TDs in Big 12 play, that is a you issue.

Reynolds is just one of two senior receivers that get playing time. Both have had moments, Reynolds more than Darks, yet neither has been consistent or provided leadership. No hate, just facts.

ATTENTION EVERYONE, 22 is back to rip the receivers. We don't hear from him in ages, until a WR thread comes up so he can tell us all how bad everyone is.

And we get it, you don't like "money". You also hate the fact that people call him "money".

Some take facts way too personal here.

Is there something I said that's inaccurate? If so, please point it out. Until then, you continue to prove yourself insignificant when it comes to discussions that aren't personal pisssing matches.

How will the ISU offense ever figure out if it has a deep threat when they only throw a couple of deep balls a game?

I think ISU threw two deep balls against OU. One one for sure (and I think the second one as well), the ISU receiver had the OU defender beaten. The throw was not there.

ISU receivers drop passes. That's on them. But the ISU offensive scheme doesn't do the receivers (or the QB) any favors. ISU rarely runs deep routes. The defensive secondary knows this, and they congest the area from the line of scrimmage to 15-20 yards downfield, where ISU's routes are primarily run. The QB has to make accurate passes and the recievers are always in traffic. As I mentioned in the another thread, ISU compresses the field on itself.

It was interesting to watch OUs offense yesterday in person. The OU receivers stretch the field (they run deep routes even though they rarely passed to those receveivers yesterday) which opened up the 10-20 yd range. They had several wide open passes there.

Good stuff.

I think it's a direct relationship to...

- receiver play
- quarterback play
- offensive scheme

You noted the deep balls thrown were unsuccessful. I think the answer of why it's not done more often lies within the limited success.

You are 100% correct...our offense self-compresses the field. Won't be very effective consistently doing that.

In the games we play well, our offense helps the defense by the long drives. We don't have many big plays and therefore, when the offense does well, we eat the clock and rest the defense. This is an obvious statement, it just more important with ISU because...

Our offense is almost always going to have to go on drives with many plays because we can't break the big one. When our offense is inconsistent with turnovers, penalties and catching the ball - just makes it that much tougher to score because we run more plays - giving more opportunity for these frequent mistakes.

[swarthmoreCY]

Reynolds is just one of two senior receivers that get playing time. Both have had moments, Reynolds more than Darks, yet neither has been consistent or provided leadership. No hate, just facts.

I figured someone so cognizant of the facts would have had more realistic expectations. Anyone disappointed with Reynolds and Darks this year has been ignoring facts for the past 2 years (if not longer). Frustrated, maybe, disappointed only if delusional.

[ISUFan22]

I figured someone so cognizant of the facts would have had more realistic expectations. Anyone disappointed with Reynolds and Darks this year has been ignoring facts for the past 2 years (if not longer). Frustrated, maybe, disappointed only if delusional.

Why are you talking about the last few years? I'm talking about this season, the only one that currently matters.

If these two were consistent performers, they wouldn't be on the sidelines at key times and as often as they are.

[CycloneErik]

Why are you talking about the last few years? I'm talking about this season, the only one that currently matters.

If these two were consistent performers, they wouldn't be on the sidelines at key times and as often as they are.

You're right on here. They've had big moments, they've had big drops. They've made real contributions, but they've been inconsistent overall.

For example, Reynolds was on pace for 1000 yards after 5 or 6 weeks, and then doesn't add to his totals for about 3 weeks. Then he has some more big moments. He's full of talent, just not consistent. Nothing wrong with pointing that out.

[swarthmoreCY]

Why are you talking about the last few years? I'm talking about this season, the only one that currently matters.

If these two were consistent performers, they wouldn't be on the sidelines at key times and as often as they are.

Yeah, no reasonable mind would use the previous year's performance to form expectations for the upcoming season. You got Barnett for the Heisman next year?


No hate, just the facts.

[ISUFan22]

Yeah, no reasonable mind would use the previous year's performance to form expectations for the upcoming season. You got Barnett for the Heisman next year?


No hate, just the facts.

Let's look back...

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...5/darius-darks

Stats signifanctly lower this year. No injury excuse this year either. In '09, he didn't have stats in 5 games compared to 2 this year and his '09 season was still far better.

Darius Reynolds Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Iowa State Cyclones - ESPN

So you are telling me it's not a disappointment for our "#1" receiver to average 3 receptions per game in conference play?

Yes, his stats are far better this year than the past 2. That's expected as he was limited by injury in the past 2. It's nothing personal stating he's inconsistent, it's just fact and the stats back it up.

Same applies to Darks.

[Cyclone1985]

Yes, his stats are far better this year than the past 2. That's expected as he was limited by injury in the past 2. It's nothing personal stating he's inconsistent, it's just fact and the stats back it up.

Same applies to Darks.

Get the facts correct, he was injured this year as well. Lets just forget that after the first 4 or 5 games teams started playing a safety over the top on Money's side.

Darks=disappointment, i dont think the same could be said for any other WR.

Everyone on here knows you don't like our WRs, so just let it go already.

[swarthmoreCY]

Let's look back...

Darius Darks Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Iowa State Cyclones - ESPN

Stats signifanctly lower this year. No injury excuse this year either. In '09, he didn't have stats in 5 games compared to 2 this year and his '09 season was still far better.

Darius Reynolds Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Iowa State Cyclones - ESPN

So you are telling me it's not a disappointment for our "#1" receiver to average 3 receptions per game in conference play?

Yes, his stats are far better this year than the past 2. That's expected as he was limited by injury in the past 2. It's nothing personal stating he's inconsistent, it's just fact and the stats back it up.

Same applies to Darks.

How you interpret the available data is your own problem. With a new QB and more options, plus two years of them both proving they are average (at best in Darks case) Big 12 WRs, they are performing right around where most should have anticipated.

Disappointment that our #1 WR averages 3 receptions per game? Not at all if one realized we do not have a true elite Big 12 WR- it was going to be spread around. Coming out of Spring, many thought Horne or Lenz could lead the team in catches. Did not see Gary's emergence though.

[Tre4ISU]

Money has been the best all around receiver we have had in some time. I dont want stats because blocking doesnt show up there and important plays dont show up there. If Im picking teams I think I would take him over Blythe. Yes, he has his faults but he is a pretty good player.

[Tre4ISU]

You're right on here. They've had big moments, they've had big drops. They've made real contributions, but they've been inconsistent overall.

For example, Reynolds was on pace for 1000 yards after 5 or 6 weeks, and then doesn't add to his totals for about 3 weeks. Then he has some more big moments. He's full of talent, just not consistent. Nothing wrong with pointing that out.

The whole issue with receivers is that you literally depend on everyone doing everything right before you have a chance to do your thing not to mention there are three or four other options that do the same thing you do. I dont have a count but there have been a lot more plays available to Money that he never got a chance to make due to something else breaking. The same could be said for all our receivers. I would be willing to bet we have a guy open on 90% of our incompletions. Guys are open this year