Eddie Porter?

[swarthmoreCY]

Basketball and football are two completely different things, especially in terms of how long it takes.

I never claimed otherwise.
There were always plausible explanations to McD's annual lack of success. Hopefully the same will not be said about Herman in Year Y.

Please show me where I said the last one? Again, first year D-1 QBs which should be expected in year 3 and ISU. There is also a pretty inexperienced Oline, young RBs and new receivers just scratching the surface. You also have to realize we play in the best offense league in the country so rankings may or may not be a good measuring stick for Tom Herman.

You have multiple monikers?
I disagree about the lack of returning experience at positions other than QB. You are always going to be replacing starters.

[CYVADER]

and he has just tweeted that he is now a cyclone.

Eddie Porter
@eddyward41-I am a cyclone now !!

[ISUAgronomist]

eddyward41 Eddie Porter
I am a cyclone now !!

[Cyclonestate78]

Sounds a lot like McD's tenure...
Depends on how much data one needs to make a decision. Some people are better at speculating than others.



Things for you to understand about football:
-2nd to last in the conference in TOs
-last in pass efficiency
-2nd to last in 3rd down conversions
-last in red-zone offense
-2nd to last in ppg


I would think even someone of your football intellect would understand the offense is not performing to the level ISU needs it to.

Things to take into consideration...

How many schools would Josh Lenz be a starting WR for?
How many schools would Jared Barnett be a starting QB for?
How many schools would Tom Farniok be the starting center for?
How many schools would Jeff Woody get carries at RB for?

I am not knocking any of these players at all. Just saying that we are starting players at some key positions on offense that would be battling for walkon spots on the scout team at Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, etc.... Try keeping that in mind. ISU isn't going to out-talent anybody in the Big XII Conference at the moment. With that being said for ISU's offense to be successful they have to be creative, resort to tricking defenses from time to time, fast paced to hopefully wear out a defense, they also need to be able to confuse defenses at times, and most importantly they have to have very precise execution if they are going to be consistently successful against defenses that are bigger, stronger, and faster.

Example... Against Texas, Oklahoma had one drive where they had several offensive penalties in the red zone which pushed them back to having a 3rd & 25. All OU did was line up 5 wide, snap the ball to their Heisman Trophy candidate QB who then feathered a beautiful spiral down the sideline to their Biletnikoff Award candidate WR who jumped between 2 defenders double covering him and snagged the ball for a touchdown.

Unfortunately... Iowa State doesn't have that luxury at this time. When ISU makes mistakes it shows. We don't have the talent yet to erase mistakes like that. At OU those mistakes are nothing more then a momentary delay to the inevitable scoring drive they are on while at ISU those mistakes are called drive killers. Huge difference.

[dualthreat]

I don't think so. Not with a complete system overhaul and a tough place to recruit to. If we just look at the QB position which is, a lot of times an offenses limiting factor:

Year 1-Staff scrambles and takes Capello
Year 2-You get Barnett, he redshirts
Year 3-Barnett is your starter mid way through the season, Richarson RSing
Year 4-You are still starting a 2nd year QB, perhaps a sophomore
Year 5-This should probably be a year you need to see results
Year 6- Profit

Good stuff. Not to mention, teams generally have the most success when the schedule aligns in their favor. Having one of the most difficult schedules in the country the past two years does not help at all.

If you want, go back and look at the 2009 ISU football schedule. we would destroy it with this years team if our opponents were the 2009 teams. I'd even say 10-2.

and he has just tweeted that he is now a cyclone.

Eddie Porter
@eddyward41-I am a cyclone now !!

[swarthmoreCY]

I am not knocking any of these players at all. Just saying that we are starting players at some key positions on offense that would be battling for walkon spots on the scout team at Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, etc.... Try keeping that in mind. ISU isn't going to out-talent anybody in the Big XII Conference at the moment.

Exactly why Herman's offense is likely not optimal for ISU. IMO.

[sdcyfan]

Huge pickup. We might have one of the best if not the best defense in the Big 12 next year. Really excited about this because if Porter is a MLB that allows Knott and AJ to stay at their natural positions of OLB.

[Tre4ISU]

Exactly why Herman's offense is likely not optimal for ISU. IMO.

I would like to know which offense would be optimal with a talent disadvantage across the board because I can't think of a single great offense who doesn't have a talent advantage over the middle. I can think of several mid range offenses that do have a talent advantage. Specifically, I would like to see a high performing "pro-style" offense that doesn't has talent similar to ISU.

[CloneIce]

I don't think so. Not with a complete system overhaul and a tough place to recruit to. If we just look at the QB position which is, a lot of times an offenses limiting factor:

Year 1-Staff scrambles and takes Capello
Year 2-You get Barnett, he redshirts
Year 3-Barnett is your starter mid way through the season, Richarson RSing
Year 4-You are still starting a 2nd year QB, perhaps a sophomore
Year 5-This should probably be a year you need to see results
Year 6- Profit

You lost me at "Year 5 should probably be a year you need to see results."

Lets be serious here... when you hire a new OC, you don't expect to see results until Year 5? This is big time college football... the results start from Game 1. A huge part of being an OC is adapting to the personnel you have and getting the most out of the talent you have to work with. Also, this was not a "complete system overhaul"... our offensive system is not that different than what we ran before... a complete overhaul would be going from option to spread or something like that.

I am in no way commenting on Herman at all in this thread, I just think it is absurd to give a coordinator 5 YEARS before you need to see results.

[Tre4ISU]

You lost me at "Year 5 should probably be a year you need to see results."

Lets be serious here... when you hire a new OC, you don't expect to see results until Year 5? This is big time college football... the results start from Game 1. A huge part of being an OC is adapting to the personnel you have and getting the most out of the talent you have to work with.

I am in no way commenting on Herman at all in this thread, I just think it is absurd to give a coordinator 5 YEARS before you need to see results.

This is the major problem at lower level BCS school like ISU. You bring in guys expecting that in 3 years you will be something great. That happens very very rarely. In a lot of coaching changes, comes change in scheme and players needed for said scheme. At ISU, not only did we have that but we had issues in recruiting guys to replace the existing talent that didn't fit.

As for adapting-Yeah, if you have a game changer at some position, you adapt. We didn't. We didn't have one person I would argue that it is reasonable to switch what the coaches wanted to do in the long term. I will use Michigan this year as an example. There is an instance where the OC, and rightfully so, changed what he had done for 20 years because it only makes sense to use Denard Robinson as a runner. We didn't have Matt Barkley sitting here. We didn't have Michael Floyd out here. There was not Trent Richardson. We didn't have this massive experienced offensive line to run people over all day. It makes no sense to sacrifice a year or two of learning your scheme in an effort to make your offensive barely better. My guess is that if Herman would have gone to more "pro-style" stuff we may have been nominally better but you would now be switching, Barnett wouldn't be as familiar with what we want to do, your blocking schemes may have changed, routes changed and you're basically at year .5 in learning this system. The vast majority of OC and DC will say this: Scheme does not matter. What matters is installing your schemes and executing them. If you do that, you will be successful. We have not executed. That's either on Herman and his coaches or it's something else. This year, I think it's inexperience. I may be wrong. In two years I may be calling for Herman's head but I am not about to even put him on the hot seat because his first recruited QB is a RS freshman.

[djcubby]

Huge pickup. We might have one of the best if not the best defense in the Big 12 next year. Really excited about this because if Porter is a MLB that allows Knott and AJ to stay at their natural positions of OLB.

That may be stretching things a little. OU and UT will always have a tough defense. Our D-line is improving, but still needs a little help. Our LB's will probably be the top group with with safeties a close 2nd, but we still need to replace a lock down corner in LJ. Stokes may or may not be that guy, but I don't see any of the freshman coming in and locking down WR's like LJ has done this year.

[Cyclophile1]

I would like to know which offense would be optimal with a talent disadvantage across the board because I can't think of a single great offense who doesn't have a talent advantage over the middle. I can think of several mid range offenses that do have a talent advantage. Specifically, I would like to see a high performing "pro-style" offense that doesn't has talent similar to ISU.

You could make the case, perhaps, that with the stable of running backs we have and how good a runner that Barnett is, that our personnel favors using a GATech style flexbone offense with two slotbacks and Woody in the FB spot. Given how difficult generally it is for QBs and WRs to develop chemistry and consistency together, I think this would be a viable attack with a young/new QB and an OL that has had a strength in run blocking.

Of course, I just like that it's quirky and different and probably requires more speed than we actually have to use against the likes of OU, Texas but I like it.

Cheers

[swarthmoreCY]

I would like to know which offense would be optimal with a talent disadvantage across the board because I can't think of a single great offense who doesn't have a talent advantage over the middle. I can think of several mid range offenses that do have a talent advantage. Specifically, I would like to see a high performing "pro-style" offense that doesn't has talent similar to ISU.

This has been discussed during the past two off-seasons, but...The more athletic the position, the larger our talent gap has traditionally been. Herman's offense thus far is largely dependent on those positions and marginalizes the positions we are most likely to develop equitable talent (Oline).


Regardless of that aspect, what indications do you have that Herman knows how to utilize a spread offense to minimize talent differential and create match-ups that schematically gives ISU an advantage?

[Mr Janny]

This has been discussed during the past two off-seasons, but...The more athletic the position, the larger our talent gap has traditionally been. Herman's offense thus far is largely dependent on those positions and marginalizes the positions we are most likely to develop equitable talent (Oline).


Regardless of that aspect, what indications do you have that Herman knows how to utilize a spread offense to minimize talent differential and create match-ups that schematically gives ISU an advantage?

Maybe a new thread is in order for that discussion. From here on out, this thread is about Eddie Porter.

[Tre4ISU]

Maybe a new thread is in order for that discussion. From here on out, this thread is about Eddie Porter.

Sorry. This may have been one of the better "still talking about the same sport and team" derailments though.