Re: Will we have to take another step back with new OC?
[QUOTE=clonedude;2586526]I remember everyone saying how difficult it was for Arnaud to play under 3 different OC's in his ISU career, and how much of a learning curve there was when a new OC came in.
So, does everyone assume this offense will take another step backwards with the departure of Tom Herman, or can we not skip a beat and actually improve offensively next year?
We can expect Rhoads to upgrade with the new OC.
Rhoads is not a new Head Coach looking to rebuild a program with a spotty track record. He's an established coach with a new ten year contract and a huge upside. Rhoads is recruiting better players. The same will be true with coaches.
Re: Will we have to take another step back with new OC?
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[QUOTE=clonedude;2586526]I remember everyone saying how difficult it was for Arnaud to play under 3 different OC's in his ISU career, and how much of a learning curve there was when a new OC came in.
So, does everyone assume this offense will take another step backwards with the departure of Tom Herman, or can we not skip a beat and actually improve offensively next year?
My biggest fear is that all the guys will have to learn a whole new system, its terminology, etc... and that we actually spend all of next year trying to become comfortable again in a new system.
I guess that's where hiring someone from within, like Messingham, might be a benefit, because maybe he'd just keep the same system, same terminology, etc?
It's not as if our offense was very good this year anyway, so I'm not sure how it could get a whole lot worse, but I was at least starting to get the feel that we might be turning the corner a bit, and now Herman is gone.
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Re: Will we have to take another step back with new OC?
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dualthreat 
Im sure im not the only one who sees a big flaw in hiring Tony Franklin.
1. Paul Rhoads says he will hire a guy to come in and change their system into our current system.
2. Tony Franklin requires a head coach to buy into his system and give him time to implement it.
= The same situation he had at Auburn. One of those two guys will have to budge if he does hire franklin.
From what I have read, Tony Franklin runs the same type of system we are currently using. So CPR has already bought into Tony Franklin's system.
Tony Franklin's system was NOT used at Auburn. The great Tommy Tuberville did not allow it and fired Tony Franklin after a mere 6 games. This is the same great Tommy Tuberville who is now at Texas Tech. Check and see how that is going.
Tony Franklin is a "teacher". He teaches his system to High School Coaches. Tony Franklin has great recruiting contacts in Texas as a result. Being a "teacher" and also a "recruiter" are two of the things that CPR is looking for in the new OC.
CPR has also said that we have a core o 4 offensive coaches coming back. So I do not think it is Messingham, but most likely someone knew. The signs seem to be pointing to Tony Franklin as the logical choice. IMO, CPR has already decided but the news will not be divulged until after the Pinstripe Bowl so it will not be a distraction.
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Stormin From what I have read, Tony Franklin runs the same type of system we are currently using. So CPR has already bought into Tony Franklin's system.
Tony Franklin's system was NOT used at Auburn. The great Tommy Tuberville did not allow it and fired Tony Franklin after a mere 6 games. This is the same great Tommy Tuberville who is now at Texas Tech. Check and see how that is going.
Tony Franklin is a "teacher". He teaches his system to High School Coaches. Tony Franklin has great recruiting contacts in Texas as a result. Being a "teacher" and also a "recruiter" are two of the things that CPR is looking for in the new OC.
CPR has also said that we have a core o 4 offensive coaches coming back. So I do not think it is Messingham, but most likely someone knew. The signs seem to be pointing to Tony Franklin as the logical choice. IMO, CPR has already decided but the news will not be divulged until after the Pinstripe Bowl so it will not be a distraction.
My feeling is that CPR doesn't want to change the terminology. He said nothing about micromanaging the OC to the point of catastrophic failure. CPR probably learned a thing or two about that by watching Tuberville implode at Auburn. He's also smart enough that if he does hire Franklin, he wont make the same mistakes at Tubs did.
Franklins offense runs many of the same spread concepts as our current offense. The transition would be pretty seamless. A few variations in play calling, style, and teaching methods and that would be it. Franklin has run multiple different styles of spread in his coaching history. He ran some run first spread with mobile QBs, pass happy spreads, you name it. The guy is really a spread guru. If Tuberville had given him some latitude and time, he probably could have been successfull at Auburn. Unfortunately, TT knew he didn't have any time to make changes. The boosters had been looking for ways to get him out for years (see the Petrino fiasco) so TT desperately tried to force the issue on offense. It was disastrous.
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cyclone16dad Duke Barnett
@ChrisMWilliams @ADArnaud4 Tony Franklin would be great for JB. Ran his system in high school. So terminology would not be an issue for JB.
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I hope not and don't think so but how bad could it be? We have been at the bottom of the conference in points for years and are still at the bottom. We keep talking how Herman and company would have this killer Rice-style offense but even with better players we struggle (not withstanding a couple of exceptional games) to score more than 20 points a game. We have a BCS defense right now but still score points like a MAC team playing a ranked BCS school.
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It's going to be a similar system.
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cyhiphopp My feeling is that CPR doesn't want to change the terminology. He said nothing about micromanaging the OC to the point of catastrophic failure. CPR probably learned a thing or two about that by watching Tuberville implode at Auburn. He's also smart enough that if he does hire Franklin, he wont make the same mistakes at Tubs did.
Franklins offense runs many of the same spread concepts as our current offense. The transition would be pretty seamless. A few variations in play calling, style, and teaching methods and that would be it. Franklin has run multiple different styles of spread in his coaching history. He ran some run first spread with mobile QBs, pass happy spreads, you name it. The guy is really a spread guru. If Tuberville had given him some latitude and time, he probably could have been successfull at Auburn. Unfortunately, TT knew he didn't have any time to make changes. The boosters had been looking for ways to get him out for years (see the Petrino fiasco) so TT desperately tried to force the issue on offense. It was disastrous.
Tommy Tuberville is imploding at Texas Tech. He can't blame that on Tony Franklin.
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I'd be worried if we had a better offense already.
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Stormin Tommy Tuberville is imploding at Texas Tech. He can't blame that on Tony Franklin.
It's funny because the defense is the real issue for him now and that's supposed to be his specialty. He is going through assistant coaches like water.
Dude is toxic.
Sets up real nice for Sonny D-ykes to take over in another year or two.
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dualthreat Im sure im not the only one who sees a big flaw in hiring Tony Franklin.
1. Paul Rhoads says he will hire a guy to come in and change their system into our current system.
2. Tony Franklin requires a head coach to buy into his system and give him time to implement it.
= The same situation he had at Auburn. One of those two guys will have to budge if he does hire franklin.
Completely wrong. You are looking for a flaw that exists only in your mind, not in the real environment.
CPR already bought into Franklin's system when he hired Tom Herman in the first place.
Look, Franklin is the guy who led the charge for defibrillators being made available across the country at youth sports.
On-field victories notwithstanding (and there are plenty of those, if you just want to go W/L), if you haven't read Fourth Down and Life To Go, you can't begin to comprehend what a teaching, coaching, living, winning asset that Tony Franklin could be, or what a nice fit he would be at Iowa State.
Why am I ignoring your sketchy claim that there's some sort of philosophical/leadership conflict inherent in hiring Franklin?
Because it is a dodge: Franklin is precisely the sort of leader that CPR would want to bring on to run any system. The fact that the system happens to be one that Franklin has quite literally written the book on would make the hire a slam dunk.
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To address the OP, I think we have an opportunity to take a step forward with the right hire.
CPR will hire someone who runs a similar system and they will NOT have to recruit new players to run a new system. Our offense is poised to take steps forward and a new coach with new ideas could very well help that along.
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IowaSTATCyclone Completely wrong. You are looking for a flaw that exists only in your mind, not in the real environment.
CPR already bought into Franklin's system when he hired Tom Herman in the first place.
Look, Franklin is the guy who led the charge for defibrillators being made available across the country at youth sports.
On-field victories notwithstanding (and there are plenty of those, if you just want to go W/L), if you haven't read Fourth Down and Life To Go, you can't begin to comprehend what a teaching, coaching, living, winning asset that Tony Franklin could be, or what a nice fit he would be at Iowa State.
Why am I ignoring your sketchy claim that there's some sort of philosophical/leadership conflict inherent in hiring Franklin?
Because it is a dodge: Franklin is precisely the sort of leader that CPR would want to bring on to run any system. The fact that the system happens to be one that Franklin has quite literally written the book on would make the hire a slam dunk.
if tony Franklin runs the exact same system as tom Herman, then my point is invalid. I was not aware this was the case.
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RustShack I'd be worried if we had a better offense already.
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dualthreat if tony Franklin runs the exact same system as tom Herman, then my point is invalid. I was not aware this was the case.
It is a very similar spread system.
Barnetts high school team ran the Franklin System and JB said one of the reasons he wanted to come to ISU was because he had been running a very similar spread (to ISUs) since he was a sophmore in HS.
The adjustment period will be very minimal.
Franklin has tought his system to coaches and players accross the country. If he is hired, it could be awesome to have kids come to ISU because they are so familiar with his system and to also have coaches thinking of ISU because they run the Franklin system.
