Herman= good riddance

I for one will not miss him our offense was just bad all around. Our qb's just are not accurate at all which really pisses me off!!! We need an accurate qb dont really care if he is allusive or not just be ******* accurate.

We just did not look prepared at all today which really surprises me a bit.

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Originally Posted by nhclone

Ohio State hires Iowa State's Tom Herman as new offensive coordinator and QB coach | cleveland.com

First article I googled, not sure where you've been for the past couple weeks, unless something happened recently to change that.

Anyway, not going to miss him. I understand the talent problems and the QBs struggling today, but he was severely outcoached. Did anyone else notice Rutgers audible their defense everytime we audibled? Then they make a TFL. It wouldn't be so bad if almost every drive wasn't exactly the same:

1st: Run up the middle
2nd: Run up the middle/short pass tot he sidelines
3rd(and long): Try and gain 8-10 yards in the face of a blitz, with a QB/OL who aren't picking it up

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Yeah, mensa did not take into account today the defense could shift faster than Steele shift his backfield. JB can switch and run plays faster and not allow as much defense adjustments.

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Originally Posted by Cyclophile1

That was perhaps the most inept offensive games I have ever seen in a bowl game in 30+ years as a football fan, from playcalling to execution.

I have tried to hold my tongue about Herman, but at this point my feeling is this:

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

He may be a genius, but his offense is DUMB and predictable.

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Adjustments? What adjustments? We looked like school lot football running around in the backfield. Our qbs sometimes looked The Day the Earth Stood Still when the blitz came.

[QUOTE=Wesley;2596114]Adjustments? What adjustments? We looked like school lot football running around in the backfield. Our qbs sometimes looked The Day the Earth Stood Still when the blitz came.[/QUOTE

I am trying not to melt down. But our gameplan was pathetic. When we were up 6-0, I told the guys I was watching with I didn't like the way we looked.

Herman is too smart for his own good. We spent the whole day trying to react to what they were doing, making adjustments. I cannot stand when we run to the line of scrimmage in our "jet" offense. Then we stand there, the clock runs, we stand there, guys move around, the defense adjusts, we move around again, and with 1 second on the play clock run the zone read right into the teeth of their blitz.

Our advantage in this game was our offensive line. I would have liked to see us get to the line, and run the play we called. Smash it down their throats. If it didnt work a couple of times, no problem. Punt and hold them. Any good offense has to have an identity. We have none.

I am glad Herman is gone. I posted afer the UNI game that I prefer more of Pro-Style offense. Why not run what we did with Seneca. There was always motion, multiple things to defend. Right now our offense is always 8 yards deep, in the middle of the field. It looked like Rutgers just said "everyone meet in the middle at the QB/RB". They had nothing to defend other than that. We never threw deep.

And early in the game, we had 2nd and one, we try the flea-flicker with West throwing. That is when it should have been Woody time. We had the momemtum, field position, just get to the line and pound it at them. But no, we have to get fancy and we screw it up.

Time for an offensive identity.

Herman did not help to win this game.
Step one in setting up an offense,
is getting past the defense Blitzing every down.
The Offense could not get past the Blitz.

If your QB can not make the quick blitz read throw,
then handing it off to a RB is a far better choice than trying an unsuccessful passing play.

Herman you sucked tonight,
even if we had no turn overs,
I am not sure we would have won.

Good luck and Good day to you.

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Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

Not sure what is so hard for you to understand.

The offense under Herman has been below average his entire tenure. Today it was horrible. Fairly logical to think the difference is due to him having two commitments, only one of which he has to answer for.

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Over his tenure, the mean has been below average. But he's had games like this before, without any dual-commitment.

[QUOTE=tm3308;2596076]This is humorous. People b*tch about the playcalling here all season (for Herman's entire tenure), and THIS lousy performance is because he mailed it in? So what's the excuse(s) for all the other f*ck ups?[/QUOT

The Iowa State offense,
even as bad as it was today,
was 5 times better then the crap I seen with he Minnesota vs Iowa,
or the Nebraska vs Iowa game.

All I can remember is wanting to go to sleep while watching Iowa suck through those games.

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Originally Posted by tm3308

Over his tenure, the mean has been below average. But he's had games like this before, without any dual-commitment.

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Maybe 1 or 2 this poor.

Even then, having a couple similarly poor games does nothing to refute sub-standard game was due to him having two commitments.

I know I need to trivialize it for you, so:
If an average player has previously had one or two horrible games, goes out an plays horrible while being sick, do you not think him being sick has something to do with it?

I went and read the OSU message boards and they are definitely looking through rose colored glasses. They believe that Herman called a good game, but that it would take a miracle worker to get these lousy QB's to do anything. They made themselves feel better by stating that it only looked bad because Buckeye talent wasn't there to execute his gameplan.

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Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

Maybe 1 or 2 this poor.

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Definitely more than that. The iowa games in 09\10, the games the last couple times against KU (barely beating them while the rest of the conference is absolutely destroying them every week), Missouri the last 2 years, Oklahoma the last couple years, etc.

Two Word Review of Herman: **** Sandwich. Thank you Spinal Tap.

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Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

Maybe 1 or 2 this poor.

Even then, having a couple similarly poor games does nothing to refute sub-standard game was due to him having two commitments.

I know I need to trivialize it for you, so:
If an average player has previously had one or two horrible games, goes out an plays horrible while being sick, do you not think him being sick has something to do with it?

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He didn't make his quarterbacks miss their receivers by a mile with consistency. Well, I suppose technically he did, since he's the QB coach and he failed to develop said quarterbacks. But that goes towards his consistent suck-itude spanning his entire tenure, not the sudden departure to OSU. Lenz had a TD on the crossing route on the first possession that Barnett missed on.

Herman went away from the run too soon, but Rutgers sold out to stop it because the passing game was pathetic, and that was on the QB play.

[QUOTE=swarthmoreCY;2595917]Did you even watch the game?
Meyer does not need a OC, he needs someone that can ask him what play he wants to run. I am sure Mensa is great learning someone else's offense.

Yes I watched the game and yes I saw the offense look absolutely horrible. Was the Herman's fault? Some but how many over thrown passes and dropped passes were there? You probably dont know because you were too busy belittling everyone you disagree with. For my part, if you dont like my posts just keep your thoughts to yourself. Your pompous replies are getting old.

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Originally Posted by alarson

Definitely more than that. The iowa games in 09\10, the games the last couple times against KU (barely beating them while the rest of the conference is absolutely destroying them every week), Missouri the last 2 years, Oklahoma the last couple years, etc.

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I'll gladly give you KU, but the others were against much better teams, and not nearly as bad. In many of those was just as much execution as game plan . In this one, the game plan led to a lot of the poor execution. Rutgers was playing chess while Herman was playing checkers.

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Originally Posted by tm3308

Over his tenure, the mean has been below average. But he's had games like this before, without any dual-commitment.

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If you want to argue that he simply isn't very good or very effective as an OC, I'm fine with that. I would side with that argument.

Overall, we just looked extremely passive. I was shocked to see that sort of effort come from our guys. I really thought we'd bring more to it.

That said, hats off to Rutgers. Those guys did bring it, and they clearly earned the win. That "go for the jugular" pass was an outstanding playcall. I respect that a ton.