(I paragraphed this post twice but neither took. . . .) Both sides, tossing out old (and thus hackneyed) stereotypes. Although, maybe this is fun for some here. Plenty boring for others, though. If I were an Arky State fan, I'd be tickled to death to get these three jucos. But, I'm an Iowa State fan, and I know the strides that are being made in Ames, so it's confusing to we fans why Hayes and Porter would make this decision. There are advantages to playing in the Big 12. OTOH, the NFL will find you regardless of where you play. As a Cyclone fan, it's disturbing that a kid (Porter) moves to his third commitment in the space of a couple of months. I don't blame Arky State one whit for chasing these guys; commitments are open game, I've heard coaches say, until a kid asks a coach to stop contacting him. How's this for a scenario? Hayes was the first to commit to ISU. Somewhat later, Porter follows Hayes, decommits from his first choice then selects the Cyclones. As far as we know, the third kid was not going to be offered by ISU. From the beginning, we Cyclone fans have been concerned about whether or not Hayes would qualify academically. Perhaps after fall semester grades came out and ISU had a look, it was evident Hayes would not or might not make it to Ames. At that point, the three buds looked for a spot to land together. I don't blame Arky State fans for being delighted about this turn of events, I don't loathe the three kids for allowing a bond of friendship to key their decisions, and I understand Iowa State fans' disappointment, since we wanted to shore up LBer and defensive end. Hayes committed pretty early to ISU and was on the board for some length of time. He appears to be the leader. I'm guessing he wasn't going to make it to ISU academically. Stuff happens. What I don't understand is Barkley Hill's commitment to ISU some time ago. What was he thinking? ISU's roster is chock full of underclassmen running backs. Still, CPR wanted him and offered, and CPR stuck with him through his knee injury, and the kid bolts a week before signing day, apparently leaving ISU dangling at RB? Not that we need him so much, but at this point, I'm one ISU fan who believes Hill's reversal is smelly compared to that of the three Arky State kids. Still, we don't know the inside story about any of them. Was some of this by mutual agreement, or maybe at the request of our coaches? Or, is all as it appears on the surface, the kids had a change of heart. Sub-text, it's not visible at the moment. Still, I ain't gonna sling silly names at Arky State visitors here. Waste of energy. And, I'd hope they would do likewise. But I don't expect it from either side. (sigh) The better angels of our nature, what the hell was Lincoln thinking?
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I think academic issues and Malzahn had a lot to do with the changes for Hayes and Porter. It was discussed more than once that Hayes was a risk to not qualify. He has a better chance of gettin ginto Arky St than ISU.
I think Malzahn has a good rep with the Blinn coaches. He did pretty well with a Blinn transfer a few years ago.
In the end Porter and Hayes saw an opportunity to play together at a place where both could get into school. Good luck to them.
My only hope is that we don't have too many issues with depth and LB and DE this year at ISU.
Come guys get a better picture of the our stadium when we have it somewhat at capacity.
Yes we don't have the same attendance the you do but we have improved each year for the past five years.
We do play elite teams every year. Sure its mainly money games, but we did beat Texas A&M a few years ago and almost beat Iowa (24-21). That other school that you guys hate.
As far as the grades/school/academics between the two schools I'm sure there is a difference but its not the huge difference at you guys keep talking about. Iowa State graduates aren't making double what Arkansas State graduates are making. Heck we have twice the endowment that you school has per WIKI. How can that do with Iowa State having twice the number of students/graduates.
Bottom line is that we play in the Sun Belt which gets the second tier players for the SEC. You guys play in the Big 12 where their is only 10 teams. Better watch out... If Texas, OU, and OKST leave you guys can merge with the WAC or Mountain West.
Sorry that was not to nice for my first post. Arkansas State knows it place and yes we aren't on the level of Iowa St.
I do give you guys props for playing Northern Iowa every now and then. The mighty Hogs won't schedule us. If you guys would like a Home and Home series I'm sure that our AD would be open to it.
Come guys get a better picture of the our stadium when we have it somewhat at capacity.
Yes we don't have the same attendance the you do but we have improved each year for the past five years.
We do play elite teams every year. Sure its mainly money games, but we did beat Texas A&M a few years ago and almost beat Iowa (24-21). That other school that you guys hate.
As far as the grades/school/academics between the two schools I'm sure there is a difference but its not the huge difference at you guys keep talking about. Iowa State graduates aren't making double what Arkansas State graduates are making. Heck we have twice the endowment that you school has per WIKI. How can that do with Iowa State having twice the number of students/graduates.
Bottom line is that we play in the Sun Belt which gets the second tier players for the SEC. You guys play in the Big 12 where their is only 10 teams. Better watch out... If Texas, OU, and OKST leave you guys can merge with the WAC or Mountain West.
Sorry that was not to nice for my first post. Arkansas State knows it place and yes we aren't on the level of Iowa St.
I do give you guys props for playing Northern Iowa every now and then. The mighty Hogs won't schedule us. If you guys would like a Home and Home series I'm sure that our AD would be open to it.
Good luck next year guys.
22State....
I don't think that anyone is talking about academics as far as the school (although I would bet that the actual academic rigors and ranking are nowhere close). What people are talking about is that there's a good chance that the players were never going to get into ISU. Hayes at the very least it sounds like was cut loose by ISU after his semester grades came out. Not sure about Porter. Maybe his grades were bad too, maybe he just decided to go to school with a couple of buddies. IMO I don't know that there's any debate that it's easier to get into ASU than ISU. I think that they're both good players and am sorry to see them go somewhere else, but I don't know that either one of them were ever going to have the grades to get into ISU. Hayes at least was in that boat.
^^This. The academic discussion refers to the fact that one or both of them would've struggled to qualify at ISU. Also, the double-digit number of grammatical mistakes in your post has to say a little bit about the academic differences. Most notably, you may want to review the use of this little guy ---> ,
^^This. The academic discussion refers to the fact that one or both of them would've struggled to qualify at ISU. Also, the double-digit number of grammatical mistakes in your post has to say a little bit about the academic differences. Most notably, you may want to review the use of this little guy ---> ,
Arkansas State University--Jonesboro is a public institution that was founded in 1909. It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 10,051, its setting is urban, and the campus size is 1,374 acres. It utilizes a semester-based academic calendar. Arkansas State University--Jonesboro's ranking in the 2012 edition of Best Colleges is Regional Universities (South), 63. Its in-state tuition and fees are $6,934 (2011-12); out-of-state tuition and fees are $15,484 (2011-12). Arkansas State University—Jonesboro is located in the northeastern corner of the state, about 80 miles from Memphis. Students at Arkansas State, often called ASU, can choose from more than 40 degree programs in nearly 150 fields of study, including master’s programs in business and health. The school also offers about 130 online courses and more than 180 evening classes. At Arkansas State, students may enroll in the Structured Learning Assistance (SLA) program, which offers additional academic support for difficult classes that tend to give students trouble. Student athletes can try out for the Arkansas State Red Wolves varsity athletic teams, which are members of the NCAA Division I Sun Belt Conference and compete in about a dozen sports.
Iowa State University is a public institution that was founded in 1858. It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 23,104, its setting is urban, and the campus size is 1,984 acres. It utilizes a semester-based academic calendar. Iowa State University's ranking in the 2012 edition of Best Colleges is National Universities, 97. Its in-state tuition and fees are $7,486 (2011-12); out-of-state tuition and fees are $19,358 (2011-12). Iowa State University dwarfs Ames, the small town in which it resides. The large school offers more than 750 student organizations, and sports are a big part of campus life. The Iowa State Cyclones compete in the NCAA Division I Big 12 Conference, and share a special rivalry with the Iowa Hawkeyes. Despite the Cyclones moniker, the school mascot is a cardinal named Cy because a cyclone was hard to put into costume form. There are nearly 50 fraternities and sororities at Iowa State, and most chapters have their own houses. Freshmen do not have to live on campus, and Greek members can move into sorority or fraternity houses during their first year at school. The Greek system is sizable, but, at a school as large as Iowa State, it counts less than 10 percent of students among its members. There are more than 100 undergraduate majors offered at Iowa State, and, through the Soar in 4 initiative, advisers work with students to ensure they graduate in four years. For a study break, students can take a stroll through the roses in Reiman Gardens or check out more than 600 works of art around the campus—the biggest collection at any school in the country. Each spring, students put on VEISHEA, a campus-wide celebration with a parade and famous musical performers. For trips off campus, Des Moines is 30 minutes away. Iowa State University offers highly ranked graduate programs through its College of Veterinary Medicine and College of Engineering, as well as one of the nation’s only degree programs in human computer interaction. The university is a land-grant institution, meaning faculty and students work on research projects that better the community as a whole. At the university’s Iowa Agriculture and Home Economics Experiment Station Specific, projects range from biorenewable fuel production to soybean research. The campus is also home to the Ames Lab, a research center for the U.S. Department of Energy. Notable alumni include Bruce Roth, inventor of the pharmaceutical drug Lipitor, and Carrie Chapman Catt, cofounder of the League of Women Voters.
Bottom Line ... Yes it is probably a better school. But your comment "actual academic rigors and ranking are nowhere close" is a joke. You guys aren't Ivy league material. Get real. Who wants to go to a university where there’s more males and females. At ASU its 58% (females) to 42% (males).
Bottom line you guys are bottom feeders in the Big 12 (that only has ten teams). LOL... WTF...
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