ESPN preseason football ratings 2012

[ISUCY23]

Fair enough, I'd agree ISU has the advantage over Iowa at RB, but I'd also say neither of ISU's RB's are exceptional by any means. Is Shontrelle going to be able to play? It's all going to depend on whether or not some other Oline will step up in the place of the exceptional NFL caliber OLine we both lost. Will Garmon be as good as advertised or will he be overwhelmed? Sad we have to depend on a freshman Rb, but it is what it is. Robinson, Wegher, and Mccall were all able to step in as Freshman and be productive, but will Garmon who was higher rated. Who knows.

Tell that to Oklahoma State.

Hell, Iowa fans just need to ask themselves what our running backs and our entire running game did to them last year.

[hawkadoodledoo]

I think this sentence sums up your knowledge of Cyclone football and explains why your opinions about ISU's passing game are off base. If you knew anything about the team and players your trying to compare you would know that Barnett only started those 5 regular season games.

I get that, but the only thing it tells me is that he played against 5 crappy passing defenses, while at the same time you used JVB's stats from a series of games against good passing defenses. Is Barnett your starter next year? I was under the impression Rhoads hadn't named a starter yet. I think your whole reasoning of why Barnett (if the starter), is going to be good, because he passed well against 5 poor passing defenses, is extremely flawed. It's also convenient for your argument, that you left out your bowl game. QB rating last year, JVB 138.5, Barnett 99.4.

[Al_4_State]

Anyone who thinks qb is a push needs to watch the Pinstripe bowl again.

And totally discount the OK State game, right?

[weR138]

And totally discount the OK State game, right?

Well, of course. We beat the worst #2 team ever...remember? And we only won because of a tragic plane crash that was front and center on every OSU player and coaches mind. You need to read more HN.

[Bigman38]

I get that, but the only thing it tells me is that he played against 5 crappy passing defenses, while at the same time you used JVB's stats from a series of games against good passing defenses. Is Barnett your starter next year? I was under the impression Rhoads hadn't named a starter yet. I think your whole reasoning of why Barnett (if the starter), is going to be good, because he passed well against 5 poor passing defenses, is extremely flawed. It's also convenient for your argument, that you left out your bowl game. QB rating last year, JVB 138.5, Barnett 99.4.

I don't think you do get it, your comparison opinions of personnel is useless because you don't know ISU football. One of the biggest stories of the year is the QB battle and you didn't know it.

Does QB ratings take into account his 437 rushing yards? Or the fact the Barnett didn't play against the two non con cupcakes? You've done nothing but twist stats in this thread. You have also failed to realize that overall rankings of pass defense mean very little in two conferences where the offensive styles are completely different like the big 12 and big 10. Of course I wouldn't expect you to know that since apparently you don't watch anything but Big 10 football.

But please continue to take random guesses at ISU personnel and try to pass them off as fact, it's entertaining.

[cyhiphopp]

And totally discount the OK State game, right?

I get that, but the only thing it tells me is that he played against 5 crappy passing defenses, while at the same time you used JVB's stats from a series of games against good passing defenses. Is Barnett your starter next year? I was under the impression Rhoads hadn't named a starter yet. I think your whole reasoning of why Barnett (if the starter), is going to be good, because he passed well against 5 poor passing defenses, is extremely flawed. It's also convenient for your argument, that you left out your bowl game. QB rating last year, JVB 138.5, Barnett 99.4.

Of course the pass defense rankings for the two conferences have NOTHING to do with the offenses that the respective defenses face right?


Let me put it this way. The highest passing yard average in the Big 10 was by Northwestern who ranked 38th nationally. The average pass yardage ranking fot the Big 10 was a whopping 81st!

NW 38th
MSU 41st
IA 59th
WI 61st
IND 80th
PUR 83rd
ILL 91st
MI 93rd
PSU 96th
NU 104th
MIN 109th
OSU 115th

Average 80.833


OSU 2nd
BU 4th
OU 5th
TTU 7th
ATM 18th
MU 64th
ISU 73rd
UT 86th
KU 101st
KSU 108th

Average 46.8


Seriously, there is a HUGE reason why the pass defense ratings for Big12 teams are higher than those for the B1G. THE B1G SUCKS AT PASSING THE FOOTBALL! Seriously, the Big12 had 4 of the top 10 passing offenses in the COUNTRY! The top team in the B1G (NW) would be 6th in the Big12. Most Big12 offenses didn't suck at running the ball either.







Back to the point. It's BS to try and compare Vandenberg and either of the ISU QBs. They are asked to do completely different things in vastly different offenses.

[GoHawks]

And totally discount the OK State game, right?

Played a great game against a below average defense. I think you were probably part of the majority that thought austin arnaud and ricky stanzi was a push over here lol.

[Al_4_State]

Played a great game against a below average defense. I think you were probably part of the majority that thought austin arnaud and ricky stanzi was a push over here lol.

Ricky Stanzi was a better QB, but he wouldn't have been better playing for ISU in Tom Herman's offense. I wonder what Stanzi looks like w/out 2 NFL caliber receivers and 2 NFL caliber TEs as a college player. There isn't one guy that Arnaud threw to who is (or could have been if not for character issues) in the NFL. Not saying that Arnaud's better (because he isn't), but Stanzi would have looked like garbage trying to operate the system we were running.

The same holds today. If Vandenberg was ISU's QB, the offense would be less effective. Same if Barnett or Jantz was Iowa's. Thats a push.

[GoHawks]

Ricky Stanzi was a better QB, but he wouldn't have been better playing for ISU in Tom Herman's offense. I wonder what Stanzi looks like w/out 2 NFL caliber receivers and 2 NFL caliber TEs as a college player. There isn't one guy that Arnaud threw to who is (or could have been if not for character issues) in the NFL. Not saying that Arnaud's better (because he isn't), but Stanzi would have looked like garbage trying to operate the system we were running.

The same holds today. If Vandenberg was ISU's QB, the offense would be less effective. Same if Barnett or Jantz was Iowa's. Thats a push.

If the question is who will be considered a better college qb when they're done playing I would agree but going into next season at this point I don't think you can say Isu has the advantage or is even equal. I thik in 2-3 years Barnett will be scary but he has to make some strides before I can say he's as good as Vandenberg right now.

[Bigman38]

If the question is who will be considered a better college qb when they're done playing I would agree but going into next season at this point I don't think you can say Isu has the advantage or is even equal. I thik in 2-3 years Barnett will be scary but he has to make some strides before I can say he's as good as Vandenberg right now.

That's what your gut tells you, but the stats say it is a push.

[GoHawks]

That's what your gut tells you, but the stats say it is a push.

It's what my eyes tell me

[GoHawks]

That's what your gut tells you, but the stats say it is a push

And the stats actually prove my point not dispel it 25 tds to 7 ints in a season vs 6 and 6 in half a season you tell me.

[Bigman38]

And the stats actually prove my point not dispel it 25 tds to 7 ints in a season vs 6 and 6 in half a season you tell me.

and now your doing the same thing that hawkadoodledoo tried. Your cherry picking stats, if you look at some JVB is better, if you look at others JB is better. That's why it is a push.

[rebecacy]

And totally discount the OK State game, right?

We did lose our last 3 ..... scoring points was a consistent problem with our O

[GoHawks]

and now your doing the same thing that hawkadoodledoo tried. Your cherry picking stats, if you look at some JVB is better, if you look at others JB is better. That's why it is a push.

Ok I can see there is no point in arguing this one Iowa state owns Iowa in every position.