question regarding DE video up on cyclones.com

**Cincyclone** · 04-09-2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by cyhiphopp

Irving didn't redshirt last year because Maggit got hurt right away. They didn't have enough guys so Irving got in there. They would have loved to redshirt him.

False. Listen to his interviews. In one of the spring practice interviews on cyclones.com he says they didn't want to redshirt him so he could get some experience for this year.

**Stormin** · 04-09-2012, 06:31 PM

On the VLOG from Mr. B's, Arnaud says that Morrissey looks the part of a Big XII DE. Patrick Neal with a better motor and much, much bigger. Supposedly Morrissey is a type of workout warrior like Knott. A guy who is obsessed with getting better and bigger. Arnaud said he would not be surprised to see Morrissey starting next fall. And the whole VLOG emphasized that we seem to be getting some decent depth on the D-Line of 2 and 3 deep.

**Clones85'** · 04-09-2012, 06:34 PM

Clonedude starting a negative thread for the hell of it? Shocking.

**clonedude** · 04-09-2012, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Clonedude starting a negative thread for the hell of it? Shocking.

There's nothing negative about it whatsoever. I'm defending David Irving here. You guys are the ones saying how great he is and how dominant he's going to be. I'm saying, let's just wait and see how it all plays out.

Rhoads has said that Irving has the potential to be good someday. Arnaud says that he doesn't get off the line like you'd like to see a good DE get off the line yet. So those aren't my words folks.

The kid has a TON to learn, and as Rhoads has said, he needs to get more aggressive and develop a mean streak. All I'm saying is.... let's all be realistic with this kid. Let's not turn him into the next Bo Williams please.

**Stormin** · 04-09-2012, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by clonedude

There's nothing negative about it whatsoever. I'm defending David Irving here. You guys are the ones saying how great he is and how dominant he's going to be. I'm saying, let's just wait and see how it all plays out.

Rhoads has said that Irving has the potential to be good someday. Arnaud says that he doesn't get off the line like you'd like to see a good DE get off the line yet. So those aren't my words folks.

The kid has a TON to learn, and as Rhoads has said, he needs to get more aggressive and develop a mean streak. All I'm saying is.... let's all be realistic with this kid. Let's not turn him into the next Bo Williams please.

Bo Williams averaged something like 40 yards per rushing attempt. Awesome.

**Aclone** · 04-09-2012, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by clonedude

Let's not turn him into the next Bo Williams please.

You do realize that turning him into the next Bo Williams means turning him into an injured washout, right? So sure, i can go along with that!

**Bigguns** · 04-09-2012, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by clonedude

The kid has a TON to learn, and as Rhoads has said, he needs to get more aggressive and develop a mean streak. All I'm saying is.... let's all be realistic with this kid. Let's not turn him into the next Bo Williams please.

I hope Rhoads has something like that to say about every player at every position. It is spring ball, several months from the first game. Every player has to get better, work harder, and focus on their weaknesses. David Irving has a chance to be a monster at DE like we haven't seen since Reggie Heyward, I hope he listens to his coaches and works hard. He isn't being asked to become a doctor, he should be ready this fall barring injury.

**Doc** · 04-09-2012, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Cincyclone

False. Listen to his interviews. In one of the spring practice interviews on cyclones.com he says they didn't want to redshirt him so he could get some experience for this year.

I think it's a combination of the Maggitt injury and your reason. His redshirt wasn't pulled until after Maggitt was hurt. I don't think that any playing time for Irving was justifiable until Maggitt went down, due to his position on the depth chart. So while they may have wanted to get him experience for this year, there was still no reason to pull his redshirt until Maggitt went down.

**Aclone** · 04-09-2012, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Doc

I think it's a combination of the Maggitt injury and your reason. His redshirt wasn't pulled until after Maggitt was hurt. I don't think that any playing time for Irving was justifiable until Maggitt went down, due to his position on the depth chart. So while they may have wanted to get him experience for this year, there was still no reason to pull his redshirt until Maggitt went down.

So...you're calling CPR a liar?

When they decided to pull the redshirt, Coach Rhoads said at the time that it was because DI had looked so good in practice.

They didn't need another body, they just could have played Rony Nelson the downs that DI got.

**Rhoadhoused** · 04-09-2012, 09:47 PM

Didn't Rhoads play two true freshmen on defense in order to prep them for starting spots in their sophomore years and everyone was worried about having those unproven young starters? How did it turn out?

**Cincyclone** · 04-10-2012, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused

Didn't Rhoads play two true freshmen on defense in order to prep them for starting spots in their sophomore years and everyone was worried about having those unproven young starters? How did it turn out?

Golf clap

**Mel** · 04-11-2012, 04:45 AM

My guess after fall camp we will see something like this on the depth chart for the DEs.
1's. Maggitt and Scott
2's Irving and Kron
3's Lemke, Morrissey and Nelson
and the incoming guys will be redshirted.