"most secure ball handler"?

[Rhoadhoused]

Find those stats if you can. To be fair to both guys, I'm not sure if you include fumbles on read plays because none of us knows who was supposed to have the ball. Yes, its still a fumblutensil usually it's given to the QB, but the QB's rule for zone read is when in doubt give it. So, it could have been either guy. I would only look at actual fumbles when the QB or RB was carrying the ball.

I can't find it in the enyclonepedia.com archives because I don't think he made a full post on it, he just put it in a thread here.

[FootballinTexas]

I can't find it in the enyclonepedia.com archives because I don't think he made a full post on it, he just put it in a thread here.

No Wikipedia either? Man, Khaal has to do better than that.

[Rhoadhoused]

Ok I think this is it.

To expand on my earlier post...

Barnett had 104 rushes and threw 220 passes and accumulated 6 interceptions and had 11 fumbles (only 3 of which were lost). He threw an interception on 2.72% of passes. His 11 fumbles on 224 rushes accounted for a fumble on 3.4% of touches. If you just add the total fumbles (while removing the "luck factor" of who recovered them) with the total interceptions then JB threw a pick or fumbled on 5.25% of his touches.

Jantz had 84 rushes and threw 259 passes and accumulated 11 interceptions and 3 fumbles (all of which were lost). That is an interception on 4.25% of his passes and fumbled on 1.17% of all touches. Jantz fumbled or threw a INT on 4.08% of his touches.

Point being that Jantz threw way too many interceptions and Barnett fumbled way too much. We were lucky that only 3 of JB's fumbles were lost. Fumbling isn't necessarily a look into "decision making" but there are times when big hits and smart plays can avoid the chance of a fumble.

All told, which one is less of a turnover risk?

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/...e-jb-sj-3.html (How would you compare JB to SJ)

I thought there was a graph but it is very possible I am hallucinating.

[ISUAgronomist]

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/...ml#post2625946 (Young talent a reason for offensive optimism in 2012)

I didn't read much of this thread but I was sequestered to present the fumbling stats of Barnett and Jantz for what I assume is a spirited discussion.

ISU fumbled the ball 29 times this year and lost 16 of them. Below is a table that breaks it down for every player that fumbled and compares to their total "touches".

While doing this I noticed that Jantz didn't have a fumble for the UConn game listed but specifically remember the fumble before half...however, that did not count because there was a flag for holding that UConn accepted and took the whole play off the books, and fumble too. That specific play IS NOT INCLUDED and neither is any other instance of a fumble being erased due to a penalty.

It is also worth noting that some of Barnett's (maybe 2-3 from memory) were on the zone read exchange. Also, one of Jeff Woody's fumbles that was lost is from the Kansas State game where he intentionally fumbled at the end of the game.

[Rhoadhoused]

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/...ml#post2625946 (Young talent a reason for offensive optimism in 2012)

That should answer OP's original question.

Basically what I gather is that Shontrelle and Woody seem more secure than White as far as RBs go. That's about it for RBs. 3 lost fumbles as a max for a player isn't really enough to say he has a big problem though.

[awd4cy]

That should answer OP's original question.

Basically what I gather is that Shontrelle and Woody seem more secure than White as far as RBs go. That's about it for RBs. 3 lost fumbles as a max for a player isn't really enough to say he has a big problem though.

Don't know if I would go that far. You combine Shontrelle and Woody and they still have fewer carries than James White. They also have 3 fumbles combined just like James White.

[Rhoadhoused]

Don't know if I would go that far. You combine Shontrelle and Woody and they still have fewer carries than James White. They also have 3 fumbles combined just like James White.

Yeah you're right. Except one of Woody's fumbles was obviously on purpose and White fumbled 5 times, not 3. But your point stands. It is pretty close.

[Aclone]

Only one answer. Tom Farniok.

[awd4cy]

Yeah you're right. Except one of Woody's fumbles was obviously on purpose and White fumbled 5 times, not 3. But your point stands. It is pretty close.

Guess I didn't look at that close enough. I was just looking at the fumbles lost, and I did forget about that Woody fumble against K-State at the end on purpose.

[RustShack]

Barnett put the ball on the ground more than anyone.

[FootballinTexas]

Barnett put the ball on the ground more than anyone.

Steele threw more INT's than anyone. Difference is we didn't get any of those back. Who gives a crap right now. I was just wanting to see if the stats could tell me how many of his fumbles were on zone read exchanges and how many occurred after he made the decision to keep or run on pass plays.

[FootballinTexas]

Khaal or Roadhoused, can you figure out how many of JB's fumbles came before and after the reverse TD to Horne in the KU game? That was the play JB cracked two ribs lead blocking. One of their Dline guys stepped on him after he made the block that sprung Horne for the TD.

[hoosman]

[ISUAgronomist]

Khaal or Roadhoused, can you figure out how many of JB's fumbles came before and after the reverse TD to Horne in the KU game? That was the play JB cracked two ribs lead blocking. One of their Dline guys stepped on him after he made the block that sprung Horne for the TD.

Better update Steele's INTs to the point where he injured his foot then.

Have to forgive all those

[IHavNoCyCash]

I don't think we have a girl on our team.

Seriously, woody and standard