Coach PR on being at ISU

[CycloneErik]

what he says makes no difference.

Agreed.

Look at Frank Martin as one recent coaching example.
He sits on CBS on a tourney Saturday claiming no interest and no communication with South Carolina. On Sunday, he took the job.

I believe that CPR is more forthright than that, but every coach says that they have the job they want and all that. It's not something to get all excited about either way.

[longtimeclone]

I hate to say it, but look at the KF model. He stuck around, built the program, sustains success, gets paid very very well and has consistent staff.

This is what I was actually thinking of but I don't think it is very unlikely to have both coordinators stick around for 10 years. We have already lost our OC but I think it would be great if Wally would stay here until he retires.


Also maybe CPR doesn't believe he will be able to retire because he will meet his demise by suffering a heart attack during a highly emotional game or being dog piled to death after a locker room speech.

[Trice]

Short and to the point. Being very pragmatic about it. In a nutshell it doesn't matter who you are if you don't win in the big leagues.
Paul Rhoads talks about his future at Iowa State | The Des Moines Register | DesMoinesRegister.com

I feel compelled to respond here, as someone who wishes Rhoads wouldn't be quite so candid about this stuff.

I'm not losing sleep over it, I'm not assuming he's "out the door" or anything like that. But that's twice now in the last few months it's come up, and this is a fan base that has seen a lot of coaches go on to huge success elsewhere. It would be even more disheartening to see him leave given that we're a program on the rise, in a conference that is hopefully on the rise, with access to more revenue than we've ever had. If we can't convince a guy like Paul Rhoads to stay long-term...

It's just mildly discouraging to hear a coach talk in those terms. That said, I'm not blowing it out of proportion. And I hope it's just the Cyclone fan in me bracing for the kick in the jumblies that will inevitably come.

[KnappShack]

Coach will be here as long as he wants or as long as Iowa State wants him. Employment is pretty much that way for all of us. Our employer isn't family. It's an open door each way

[Cycsk]

I feel compelled to respond here, as someone who wishes Rhoads wouldn't be quite so candid about this stuff.

I'm not losing sleep over it, I'm not assuming he's "out the door" or anything like that. But that's twice now in the last few months it's come up, and this is a fan base that has seen a lot of coaches go on to huge success elsewhere. It would be even more disheartening to see him leave given that we're a program on the rise, in a conference that is hopefully on the rise, with access to more revenue than we've ever had. If we can't convince a guy like Paul Rhoads to stay long-term...

It's just mildly discouraging to hear a coach talk in those terms. That said, I'm not blowing it out of proportion. And I hope it's just the Cyclone fan in me bracing for the kick in the jumblies that will inevitably come.

What keeps us from blowing it out of proportion is the whole context of what he says. He makes it very clear by his words and actions that he is deeply committed to the program.

However, not everyone is going to keep the whole context it mind. So, I just wish that he would dial down the unnecessary explanations about why a coach might leave. And dial up the plausibility that he will stay here a long time, particularly for the benefits it gives to recruitment.

[Trice]

I hate to say it, but look at the KF model. He stuck around, built the program, sustains success, gets paid very very well and has consistent staff.

The KF model of using your NFL connections to get your name attached to every available opening for 10 years and leveraging it to finagle a raise every year despite going 6-6 every other year and consistently being among the most overpaid coaches in college football?

I really hope that doesn't happen to us. Nobody over there has the balls to put the brakes on it.

[bos]

The KF model of using your NFL connections to get your name attached to every available opening for 10 years and leveraging it to finagle a raise every year despite going 6-6 every other year and consistently being among the most overpaid coaches in college football?

I really hope that doesn't happen to us. Nobody over there has the balls to put the brakes on it.

You can take the bitter side of that if you want, but I would love his bowl appearances and wins. He may very well be overpaid, but he has sustained that program for many years. My point was that I want Rhoads to have that success at ISU where historically it has been difficult.

[Madclone1]

Where I heard it too. Seems like they fabricated it a little. Rhoads has always been up front and honest unlike Cap'n Kirk over at EIU.

He has had a great 3 years and I hope he continues to build the program, but as with every program/sport, there will be opportunities to move on to different jobs that may be better for the coach and their family.

He is saying the right thing, and I hope he can retire here. Likelihood of that? Slim to none. How many times does a coach start there and finish there? Not often.

Being translated: "Bigger Money . . ."

Screw loyalty, culture, proximity to family . . . it's always about the cabbage. That is the modern gig.

[Cyclonestate78]

I hate to say it, but look at the KF model. He stuck around, built the program, sustains success, gets paid very very well and has consistent staff.

Had.... a consistent staff. Both coordinators are gone now but during their time in Iowa City when Iowa was having some pretty successful seasons Kirk's coordinators took literally all of the blame for every loss. Saint Kirk doesn't take heat for failure but he does sit by and watch his coordinators burned at the stake by hok fans. Iowa had plenty of years when their offense was quite good yet O'Keefe was universally hated by hok fans. Old Norm... his defenses were quite good more often then not yet the boo bird hok fans loved to jump on him about his boring base defense and lack of blitzing all the time. Hell... even when their S&C coach attempted to kill several of their players with his crazy workout Kirk took zero blame from the administration or from hok fans. When scandal strikes the Iowa program and as always it is mishandled from the word go and blows up in their face Kirk always walks away clean as a whistle while everyone else around him takes the fall.

Why would Kirk ever want to leave the U of I? He makes bank, gets 100% of the credit when things are going good, never takes any of the heat when things are going bad, and is never held accountable for the things going on inside the program that he is responsible for as the man in charge. The guy would be crazy to ever leave.

[bos]

Had.... a consistent staff. Both coordinators are gone now but during their time in Iowa City when Iowa was having some pretty successful seasons Kirk's coordinators took literally all of the blame for every loss. Saint Kirk doesn't take heat for failure but he does sit by and watch his coordinators burned at the stake by hok fans. Iowa had plenty of years when their offense was quite good yet O'Keefe was universally hated by hok fans. Old Norm... his defenses were quite good more often then not yet the boo bird hok fans loved to jump on him about his boring base defense and lack of blitzing all the time. Hell... even when their S&C coach attempted to kill several of their players with his crazy workout Kirk took zero blame from the administration or from hok fans. When scandal strikes the Iowa program and as always it is mishandled from the word go and blows up in their face Kirk always walks away clean as a whistle while everyone else around him takes the fall.

Why would Kirk ever want to leave the U of I? He makes bank, gets 100% of the credit when things are going good, never takes any of the heat when things are going bad, and is never held accountable for the things going on inside the program that he is responsible for as the man in charge. The guy would be crazy to ever leave.

Well yeah, had. But it worked for a long long time. We will see what happens now. Im glad that Wally plans on being around until death or retirement. I just hope we can wrap up Shane to pick up the reigns there. As for O? Well its a wait and see again, but I like Courtney and think he can be successful here.

[Hayes30]

The goatee needs to stay all season long.

[CYdTracked]

Looking at the comments on a high level you can see how some might twist it but in all honesty unless he either really stinks it up here or does something so great that he gets an offer he can't refuse elsewhere it was a very honest answer. You can't say never with anything, common knowledge will show you even the great coaches in the game rarely stay in 1 place for a long tenure. They eventually either stumble and get fired or get offered better jobs.

From a fan perspective you hope he stays as long as possible and leads ISU to some great success. If he makes ISU a desirable program for top recruits it will make it harder to leave unless a very big school comes with an offer we can't match and even if that happens as long as he leaves the program in great shape we should still be able to find another good coach. Lot of if ands and buts so no point in over reacting to the comments he made because I don't see him leaving in the near future with that big contract we just gave him.

[Cyclonestate78]

Well yeah, had. But it worked for a long long time. We will see what happens now. Im glad that Wally plans on being around until death or retirement. I just hope we can wrap up Shane to pick up the reigns there. As for O? Well its a wait and see again, but I like Courtney and think he can be successful here.

My main commentary on the KF model was just to point out the unusual circumstances at work in that model. You usually don't see those kind of perks at any job in the coaching ranks, business world, etc....

As for CPR and staff... I like what the staff as a whole is doing. CPR has done a great job creating a staff that is building for the future. Bringing on Wally and Shane. When Wally decides it is time to hang it up the torch can be passed to Shane. Messingham was brought in with some OC and head coaching experience so when Herman moved on it seemed as though CPR had his OC already selected and waiting in the wings. Continuity in the staff is maintained at the key positions. I get the impression that when CPR took over the program he had this plan in place from day 1. Continuity in the staff is something that ISU has long suffered without but by all appearances those days have come to an end.

[cyclones500]

The goatee needs to stay all season long.

He's got a sort of Phil Jackson look going on right now.

Other thing I thought of: If he kept the beard & specs, reminds me of John Lennon transition between "Revolver" and "Sgt. Pepper." (with the exception of hair length, of course)

So, 2012 will be the Sgt. Pepper season of Iowa State football.

[CycloneJoe]

I would take 2 trips to the Orange Bowl in 10 years.
I would take a Capital One Bowl Appearance
I would take 3 Outback Bowl Appearances

The Big 10's Bowl Package really helps IOWA.
7-5 8-4 means a dam good bowl 10-2 mean BCS game