RECRUITING: JUCU TE commits

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 06-21-2012, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Rabbuk

Some of those guys aren't even cyclones. I think the point more is we don't consistently win with our level of recruiting.

No but all have been low profile players out of high school. Texas is loaded with 4 and 5 star players, how have they been doing lately? You cant teach size and speed. That is one thing Rhoads has been targeting. But it all comes back to coaching. Rhoads can coach up talent where other coaches cant.

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 06-21-2012, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Tre4ISU

Well since Rivals uses the current conference to show ranking in the past I can't disprove this but I'm guessing Mizzou and aTm were ahead of them most of the time, not to mention Nebraska so I don't think your statement is accurate.

We won't consistently be in the top 5 recruiting classes. We could get there every so often but it won't be a consistent thing, at least for awhile.

This is accurate, but winning can change all that.

**Yes13** · 06-21-2012, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by rholtgraves

Actually, according to Rivals ISU had the worst class in the big 12. I agree, Baylor wasnt doing well until the last few years so it is not crazy to believe ISU has the ability to out recruit them or Tech. It is not like these schools are the traditional powers. Vandy is a great example.

ISU was ranked as the 87th best recruiting class. It is not insane to think they should be able to move up to around 50-60.

lol, I chose to ignore this. I follow football recruiting in my free time and I studied ISU, KSU, and KU since I believed we had a better class, and to my discovery we actually do have a better class than both. Rivals points have been set up where you get more points for a commit ranked in state and in the positioning rankings. I found that ISU had more recruits than KU or KSU ranked in both in-state and positional, but for whatever reason we are ranked below them. Therefore I refuse to say KU or KSU had a better class.

ISU-9 state ranked, 6 position ranked
KSU-6 state ranked, 2 position ranked
KU--4 state ranked, 0 position ranked

it'll never make sense to me.

**Taco** · 06-21-2012, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by weR138

Not really. You either believe his Rivals and Scout profile or you don't. You clearly think he didn't have an Arkansas offer when his Rivals and Scout profiles indicate otherwise. I haven't seen you state that he had a legit offer. You can now if you want or you can continue to be a typical hawk doosh and refuse to give PR credit for a solid commit.

You have the reading comprehension skills of a 5 yr old infant.

**bots** · 06-21-2012, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Taco

5 yr old infant.

**isufan** · 06-21-2012, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Yes13

lol, I chose to ignore this. I follow football recruiting in my free time and I studied ISU, KSU, and KU since I believed we had a better class, and to my discovery we actually do have a better class than both. Rivals points have been set up where you get more points for a commit ranked in state and in the positioning rankings. I found that ISU had more recruits than KU or KSU ranked in both in-state and positional, but for whatever reason we are ranked below them. Therefore I refuse to say KU or KSU had a better class.

ISU-9 state ranked, 6 position ranked
KSU-6 state ranked, 2 position ranked
KU--4 state ranked, 0 position ranked

it'll never make sense to me.

Part of their formula also has to do with numbers, bigger class = higher ranked class usually. And also, don't schools get more points based on the position. For example, aren't DTs and QBs worth more points than an equally ranked DB or Olinemen?

**isufan** · 06-21-2012, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Yes13

lol, I chose to ignore this. I follow football recruiting in my free time and I studied ISU, KSU, and KU since I believed we had a better class, and to my discovery we actually do have a better class than both. Rivals points have been set up where you get more points for a commit ranked in state and in the positioning rankings. I found that ISU had more recruits than KU or KSU ranked in both in-state and positional, but for whatever reason we are ranked below them. Therefore I refuse to say KU or KSU had a better class.

ISU-9 state ranked, 6 position ranked
KSU-6 state ranked, 2 position ranked
KU--4 state ranked, 0 position ranked

it'll never make sense to me.

And, I agree with you that I like our class better than KU's or Purple Kansas. Just look at the rankings, the offers for those players, and the size/potential of ISU's players.

**Yes13** · 06-21-2012, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by isufan

Part of their formula also has to do with numbers, bigger class = higher ranked class usually. And also, don't schools get more points based on the position. For example, aren't DTs and QBs worth more points than an equally ranked DB or Olinemen?

Somewhat, they count the top 20 recruits. The position is somewhat broken up like that, because you can't have a 10th rank FB with offers from Bowling Green and Ohio be worth as much as the 10th ranked CB with offers from all the blue bloods. That shouldn't affect ISU vs KSU though

KSU ranked players-
Aderius Epps #42 ranked Guard
Tavarious Bender #20 dual threat QB

ISU ranked at KSU players position-
Duaron Williams-#33 ranked Guard
Grant Rohach- #28 pro-style QB

also ranked
PJ Harris- #93 WR
Damein Lawry- #38 ATH
Quan West- #70 WR
Darius White-#70 LB

**weR138** · 06-21-2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Taco

You have the reading comprehension skills of a 5 yr old infant.

You have the childhood developmental stages recognition a 17 year old toddler.

**ISUFB** · 06-21-2012, 12:01 PM

There is a whole lot of stupid going on the last couple pages in this thread... Congrats boys!
******.. can Cyclone fans NEVER be happy about anything? My ******* god you bunch of bitchers and moaners! so the kid didn't get other offers. Big freaking deal! CPR saw something in the kid other schools didn't. Why can't you be happy for the kid? He's playing college football! Something im guaranteeing you nearly 3/4 of you can't say you have!

/Rant .. continue to Rip on Rhoads' recruiting .. im happy with what we have. It's better than sitting at no commits!

**Tre4ISU** · 06-21-2012, 12:09 PM

For the record-I did't mean we could have better classes. I was just saying they won't be ranked there. We just won't get the 4 and 5 stars of the world on a consistent basis. That doesn't mean we can't get guys that are 3 stars who end up producing more like a 4 or 5. That's what ISU will have to do and I think the staff has done a nice job recognizing that in certain cases they won't overcome perception and instead of wasting time recruiting guys like that, they have spent oodles of time uncovering guys everyone doesn't know about.

**CarolinaCy** · 06-21-2012, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFB

so the kid didn't get other offers. Big freaking deal! CPR saw something in the kid other schools didn't.

Or maybe CPR is making a huge reach in offering this kid. Both opinions are valid at this point, as we won't know whether or not this kid pans out for at least a year, maybe 2.

**Tre4ISU** · 06-21-2012, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by CarolinaCy

Or maybe CPR is making a huge reach in offering this kid. Both opinions are valid at this point, as we won't know whether or not this kid pans out for at least a year, maybe 2.

But not really because it's June. It's not like he was scrambling to round someone up and just threw it out there. This was a guy they wanted, not needed.

**weR138** · 06-21-2012, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFB

There is a whole lot of stupid going on the last couple pages in this thread... Congrats boys!
******.. can Cyclone fans NEVER be happy about anything? My ******* god you bunch of bitchers and moaners! so the kid didn't get other offers. Big freaking deal! CPR saw something in the kid other schools didn't. Why can't you be happy for the kid? He's playing college football! Something im guaranteeing you nearly 3/4 of you can't say you have!

/Rant .. continue to Rip on Rhoads' recruiting .. im happy with what we have. It's better than sitting at no commits!

Holy over-reactions Batman!

...and he did have other offers.

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 06-21-2012, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by CarolinaCy

Or maybe CPR is making a huge reach in offering this kid. Both opinions are valid at this point, as we won't know whether or not this kid pans out for at least a year, maybe 2.

Well he has taken "nobody's" according to recruiting sites and formulated one of the better defenses in the Big 12. So what is a reach to Rhoads, someone who, in is his mind, is a good fit? Sign the kid up if he fits what Rhoads is bringing in. Almost all of our wins last year were against schools who statistically recruit better than us. Look at Texas Tech, we cant get close to the them in recruiting according to Rivals but we continue to beat their heads in on the field.