Ok what am i missing with our recruiting?

[Tre4ISU]

Hey I agree with this. I think there is a line in the middle of "our recruits suck" and "I trust the staff, recruiting sites don't know jack". At some point to get over the edge and consistently stay over the edge (7+ wins) we need to improve our recruiting.

Definitely. I'm in this group "A lot of this staff has worked at very good BCS programs and knows what kind of talent it takes to win." Sure, CPR can't go after the guys he went to get at Auburn but that simply means we have to look harder and deeper (haha, that's what she said) at guys who have something we need. What give me faith in that is the seemingly increased talent that we have been able to see and we haven't even seen a lot of these guys yet.

[ISUFB]

Here's the truthNo matter what...and I mean no matter what, it will ALWAYS be difficult to recruit for FB to Ames, Iowa.I don't care who the coach is or how many wins we put up in a given year.

Why do you think that?

Really?

[cyhiphopp]

One thing we don't need to speculate on: early offer guys are guys the staff definitely wants. They may be under the radar or undervalued compared to guys they view with similar skill levels who are higher rated and they like them just as much. Why spend the resources in playing the game with a 'rated' guy when you can get a guy you like just as much for your system without nearly as much competition? We haven't seen the same kind of desperation recruiting moves under the CPR regime that we did under the Mac years, so I tend to give Rhoads the benefit of the doubt. I see the overall level of athletes increasing under CPR and his own comments lend credibility to this.

The talent level is getting better, but the real question remains is it getting better fast enough to move up the ladder in the conference with arguably the best talent in the country? Life is just really tough in the Big12 and we need high character guys who want the challenge of being the underdog 2/3 of the time and maybe won't get the limelight from national media. They also need to be really good players.

I think everyone should read the above post again.

The past few years CPR has extended a few early scholarship offers to kids he had seen at camp or someone he or the staff had seen previously. Guys like Jevohn Miller and Barkley Hill. I remember people on this board at the time these guys were offered and commited saying that we should have waited and tried to get them to walk on. Jevohn came in and has already impressed the staff and is playing well. Barkley ended up getting wooed away by Iowa who were rumored to have been waiting on senior film before they offered him. CPR has taken calculated risks in offering kids early who he thinks will blow up and are talented enough to play at ISU.

Out of state guys in the same situation like Grant Rohach and Jared Barnett. Neither of these guys had a lot of offers when ISU came in. We offered them early because we thought they were exactly what we wanted and we went after them hard. They commited early as a result. Rohach could have gotten a lot more offer and I think Barnett could have as well.


Let's look at Brown specifically and also look at the RBs that CPRs staff has brought in. Have any of them been completely unable to play? I think the staff knows what they are looking for with RBs and if they offered Brown this early, then they deffinitely want him. Brown himself stated in his interview with CW that South Florida (a BCS school in a similar sitation as ISU) had been showing him interest lately. It is not out of the realm of possibility that other schools would also start looking at him, especially once he has game film from his senior year.



The offers and interest that these guys have now is not necessarily the only offers and interest that they would have 4 months from now. We will never know either, because if they are fully commited, they may stop talking to other schools all together and not show any further offers or interest. Now, if CPR did as some of you wanted and waited a few months before offering a guy like Brown, he may have impressed USF and a couple of other southern schools in his first few games as a senior. He could then have 4 other solid offers and decide to stay closer to home. CPR is taking the risk to offer and go after him hard now so he can lock him up early.

[Clones85']

Definitely. I'm in this group "A lot of this staff has worked at very good BCS programs and knows what kind of talent it takes to win." Sure, CPR can't go after the guys he went to get at Auburn but that simply means we have to look harder and deeper (haha, that's what she said) at guys who have something we need. What give me faith in that is the seemingly increased talent that we have been able to see and we haven't even seen a lot of these guys yet.

I'm not sure I'd say our talent level has increased much from when he took over, but our depth sure has. And in football that is just as important over 13 weeks.

[Psiclone]

You're not missing anything. But be prepared to get reamed nonetheless.

Yup, the same thoughts have popped into the heads of others on this board as well. As for the flamers, I doubt a single one of them would deny that they would also prefer have recruits with higher star ratings and/or multiple BCS offers. It's possible that these recruits are actually better players than ones with higher star rankings and multiple BCS offers. But, the rating system isn't totally flawed and higher rated players more often than not have better careers.

[Clones85']

You're wrong.

Stats and evidence say otherwise.

[Cycl1]

Why do you think that?

Free schooling to iowa, or free schooling to texas(where most these kids are from), florida, or southern cal? The only way to get these recruits is to over a long period of time become dominate and have a rich tradition. like michigan, notre dame, nebraska, etc...

[brett108]

2007 KO (offered by Mizzou, TCU, Houston and other mid majors)
2007 Colin Franklin
2009 Jake Knott
2009 AJ Klein
2008 Leonard Johnson (had at least 8 other high D1 offers. Ole Miss, Nebraska, etc)
2006 Alexander Robinson (had offers from Minnesota and Kentucky)
2008 Scott Haughton (actually at one point had BIG TIME offers. Michigan, FSU, etc but didn't have grades so people backed off. We somehow got him here, and than grades where the end of it)
2005 Jesse Smith (walkon who was MLB for teams that won 3,2 and 6 games in a season. Love him but come on)
2010 Shontrelle Johnson (Northwestern, Florida, GT, Kentucky, Vanderbilt)
2005 Ace Bowen (Cincinatti, KSU, Pittsburgh)

Thank you for helping me make my point. You listed what you would consider the differnece makers. We are getting maybe 1 diamond in the rough a class? I count 4 out of the 5 years you gave me. All others were recruited by other schools.

And from 2006 to now our record has been
4-8
3-9
2-10
6-6
5-7
6-6

So, are we going to get some guys nobody else has heard of and develop them? Absolutely. I think Symrie is that guy this year. But we need guys like Leonard Johnson in there as well to help us. Arguing otherwise is just not admitting the truth

And he does get someof those guys. a couple years ago it was Devondrick Nealy, last year Damien Lawry came in with a laundry list of offers. Rhoads will get some guys with fine offer sheets. Just maybe not this early.

[mattyice]

Free schooling to iowa, or free schooling to texas(where most these kids are from), florida, or southern cal? The only way to get these recruits is to over a long period of time become dominate and have a rich tradition. like michigan, notre dame, nebraska, etc...

See im not sure i can subscribe to that thinking......

Boise State seems to have no problem suddenly...and i wouldnt call them rich in tradition. Utah has had some good teams, im sure i can list a dozen schools in crappier locations ...Kansas for example.....that have produced.

[ribsnwhiskey]

Wow...that was a zinger.


MT: Again...intentional...just a joke.




Clone: Again...thank you...good info. Could simply be we are a little early on the bigger names coming in...couple that with it taking longer than normal to get even ONE kid to sign, and the ones we have are just "ok"...its might just look worse than what it really is........but....again....thats why i was wondering.

I'm not trying to zing you, dude. But if you think you bring anything more to this BOARD than anyone else...you are delusional. Case in point: this thread that YOU started.

And what exactly qualifies you to judge any of the current commits as "mediocre"?

Try to answer without calling me names.

[Clones85']

See im not sure i can subscribe to that thinking......

Boise State seems to have no problem suddenly...and i wouldnt call them rich in tradition. Utah has had some good teams, im sure i can list a dozen schools in crappier locations ...Kansas for example.....that have produced.

Boise State can take partial qualifiers. Not the same.

[cyhiphopp]

I'm not sure I'd say our talent level has increased much from when he took over, but our depth sure has. And in football that is just as important over 13 weeks.

We might not have a lot of superstar talent, but I think our starters as a group are better than the starters before CPR. Also, that solid depth has a couple extra years to develop and will be that much better when they are tabbed to start.

Mac was always hit or miss. He had some good starters with walk-on level depth behind them. Then he would have to scramble to find a starter when someone decent graduated.

Chizik took risks during his short tenure. He brought in some very good starters and he also missed on a few guys that never showed up or never did anything here. He was scrambling to try and fill up DMacs bare cupboard.


CPR has filled immediate holes and is building quality depth at most positions. That will go a long way. You don't necessarily have to bring in a bunch of 4 star kids if you can give yourself time to develop 3 stars who have a few extra years to develop because of depth.

[mattyice]

I'm not trying to zing you, dude. But if you think you bring anything more to this BOARD than anyone else...you are delusional. Case in point: this thread that YOU started.

And what exactly qualifies you to judge any of the current commits as "mediocre"?

Try to answer without calling me names.

I didnt say i did...in fact i clearly said i was curious as im not a recruiting expert. Most people on earth start a thread asking a question bc they want more information on something...which i respectfully i think did....MOST people responded with outstanding info, and private messages...which is good enough for me.....velo and yourself?..im not sure why you came in the thread at all to be honest...not bashing but neither of you really had much to offer.

I would say its fair to judge a kid RIGHT NOW by what his other offers were and by a respected recruiting website says about a kid....i dont think thats out of line at all. I mean if you want to judge them all as great because the messiah CPR recruited them, and he can do no wrong in your eyes....thats ok too. We just dont all operate that way.

[rainbowdolphin]

I stay reasonably sane by remembering that CPR and his staff have forgotten more about football, recruiting and potential than I will ever know. They had their own good reasons to offer who they did when they did. I believe we will look back in a couple of years and realize that some more dominoes were falling right now.
And, yes, I also like Sunshine and Rainbows.

[Tre4ISU]

I'm not sure I'd say our talent level has increased much from when he took over, but our depth sure has. And in football that is just as important over 13 weeks.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Across the Dline I would take any of those guys over what we had. I would probably take everyone in the secondary minus a CB and put Leonard there. I would take all of our LBers and yes I would take George over Smith. I don't know on Arnaud. He was dealt a really tough hand. I would take Shontrelle over Arob. I think the young receivers are very promising. Talent wise I think they will be much better and that is certainly a place where we have seen other BCS offers.

More than anything I guess I'm saying the juries out. You don't know what a guy is until he is done here most of the time. Depth-wise, I agree. That depth also breeds competition. Competition improves players. I don't really know what I'm arguing anymore. Hell, I don't know if I am arguing anymore.