Tulsa as 2 point favorite........

[rholtgraves]

From a Hawkeye fan perspective, what would you have expected from a redshirt freshman and a guy that has only played the quarterback position for 3 years in his life? Here is a blind comparison for 2 freshman years, 1 is Peyton Manning and one is Jared Barnett, without google who is Manning and who is Barnett?

Attempts 220 Comp 110 Yards 1201 TDs 6 INTs 6
Attempts 144 Comp 89 Yards 1140 TDs 11 INTs 6

That is easy. The better one is Manning. Higher completion percentage, more yards per completion, and better TD to INT ratio.

[Cycl1]

Originally Posted by Cycl1

It is almost like they do it for a living.

Actual people set the lines? I thought the line setter were just a pool of manatees that would hit balls with numbers on them so Vegas knows where to set the line.

Also you have to remember that the line setters do have some leeway because the lines will move slightly once a bet is placed so the house can hedge their bets. The line setter just can't be too off when coming up with the lines though.

I thought it was obvious the "they" I was refering to were manatees. maybe my keyboard isn't working correctly.

[hawkadoodledoo]

From a Hawkeye fan perspective, what would you have expected from a redshirt freshman and a guy that has only played the quarterback position for 3 years in his life? Here is a blind comparison for 2 freshman years, 1 is Peyton Manning and one is Jared Barnett, without google who is Manning and who is Barnett?

Attempts 220 Comp 110 Yards 1201 TDs 6 INTs 6
Attempts 144 Comp 89 Yards 1140 TDs 11 INTs 6

O lord!
Not sure why this line upsets you guys, it'll be a tough toss-up game. Much like the Iowa vs ISU game. I could care two s***s about the line when it comes to any Iowa games, as it always seems to be wrong. I heard Iowa is like 9 point favorites over you guys, fans of both sides know this is garbage.

[UNIGuy4Cy]

That is easy. The better one is Manning. Higher completion percentage, more yards per completion, and better TD to INT ratio.

Pretty freaking close. Barnett had more yards with just a few more attempts and both had the same number of interceptions. But I know , quarterbacks cannot progress they only regress right? Their best years are only in high school. I mean as a redshirt freshman Barnett did nothing that hadn't been done in the past, just same old, same old.

[longtimeclone]

O lord!
Not sure why this line upsets you guys, it'll be a tough toss-up game. Much like the Iowa vs ISU game. I could care two s***s about the line when it comes to any Iowa games, as it always seems to be wrong. I heard Iowa is like 9 point favorites over you guys, fans of both sides know this is garbage.

Yeah I don't really care too much. I could have seen the line anywhere from -3 to +3. I would be very interested to see how the line will move .

[Hawkeye11en1]

Pretty freaking close. Barnett had more yards with just a few more attempts and both had the same number of interceptions. But I know , quarterbacks cannot progress they only regress right? Their best years are only in high school. I mean as a redshirt freshman Barnett did nothing that hadn't been done in the past, just same old, same old.

I get what you are doing, but Peyton is the exception, not the rule.

[UNIGuy4Cy]

I get what you are doing, but Peyton is the exception, not the rule.

So you are saying that every quarterback in the NFL who started as a redshirt freshman is heisman like minus Manning?

[Hawkeye11en1]

So you are saying that every quarterback in the NFL who started as a redshirt freshman is heisman like minus Manning?

I'm saying that not everyone who starts as a redshirt freshman becomes the best QB to ever play the game.

[UNIGuy4Cy]

I get what you are doing, but Peyton is the exception, not the rule.

Here is an NFL hall of famer's freshman year in college

GP Comp Att % Yds TD INT TD% INT% Y/G Y/A RAT
11 79 194 40.7 1264 15 13 7.7 6.7 114.9 6.5 107.6

Its only Brett Favre.

[Hawkeye11en1]

So he will be a HOFer?

[UNIGuy4Cy]

I'm saying that not everyone who starts as a redshirt freshman becomes the best QB to ever play the game.

Thats not my point, anyone that evaluates and judges a quarterback based on his freshman year is completely asinine.

[UNIGuy4Cy]

So he will be a HOFer?

You might as well call him a hall of famer cause he will be 1st ballot.

[cyhiphopp]

I think Tulsa is a solid team. I also think they are underestimating the loss of Kinne and overrate Green. There is probably a reason Green ended up at Tulsa rather than one of the other 7 BCS school (and Houston) that offered him out of HS. Tulsa is a good CUSA team but there is still a big difference between BCS teams and CUSA teams.

Green has the chance to redeem himself and will probably be better at Tulsa that he was at NU but I still think our defense will be able to handle him.

I also think our offense will be able to do enough against Tulsa's D to win the game. It will probably be closer than we would like, but I think we win.

[ahaselhu]

Pretty freaking close. Barnett had more yards with just a few more attempts and both had the same number of interceptions. But I know , quarterbacks cannot progress they only regress right? Their best years are only in high school. I mean as a redshirt freshman Barnett did nothing that hadn't been done in the past, just same old, same old.

Not really that close. Convert it to completion % and Yards per pass:

Manning: 61.8% 7.92ypp
Barnett: 50.0% 5.46ypp

Those numbers would have put Manning #50 in the nation in completion percentage and 27th in the nation in yards per pass. Barnett is not in the top 100 in either category.

[crawf]

OMG....comparing Barnett to Manning or Favres freshman years? (FACEPALM)

Fine.....heres Peytons Soph year:
1995 380 244 64.2 2954 4 22
ATT COm % YDS INT TDS

Wake me up when Jantz AND Barnett COMBINE for that.