"Dead heat" at kicker per Paul Rhoads

[Aclone]

I will say it one more time, our kickers haven't been that bad. Our offense has been that bad, and when you struggle to score points, fans will remember ever kick ever missed. That and we continuously ask them to kick 50 yarders where other teams don't b/c their offenses can score TD's and ours hasn't been able to

Depends on what you mean by "that bad". When the coach gets so discouraged about the FG kicker that he send the punter out to "pooch" in moderate field goal range (As Mac did all the time, and CPR did several times last fall), IMO, that's bad.

[Clones85']

Depends on what you mean by "that bad". When the coach gets so discouraged about the FG kicker that he send the punter out to "pooch" in moderate field goal range (As Mac did all the time, and CPR did several times last fall), IMO, that's bad.

Name a time in which CPR did that last year

[Clones21]

Depends on what you mean by "that bad". When the coach gets so discouraged about the FG kicker that he send the punter out to "pooch" in moderate field goal range (As Mac did all the time, and CPR did several times last fall), IMO, that's bad.

Our offense last year had trouble even getting in the red zone half the season.

[alarson]

I will say it one more time, our kickers haven't been that bad. Our offense has been that bad, and when you struggle to score points, fans will remember ever kick ever missed. That and we continuously ask them to kick 50 yarders where other teams don't b/c their offenses can score TD's and ours hasn't been able to

/thread.

A kicker will look a lot better when theyre rarely asked to kick the low % attempts. Goes right in line with how a good offense can make a defense look better because theyre not on the field all day.

[Clones85']

Our kickers last year were 11-16 inside 50 yards. Not great, but not bad.

The year before Mahoney was money inside 45 (was perfect) until the last game of the year when he missed two chip shots against Missouri. Fans like to bag on him but forget the horrible offense that day that scored zero points. Lenz dropped balls. Darks dropped balls. Tiller stunk.

Year before Mahoney was 8 for 10 inside 40 yards. He had one bad kicking game and that was against Baylor

Year before that Mahoney was 17-24 at kicking

So while it hasn't be great, it hasn't been as bad as a lot of fans want to make it out to be. It's just easy for the average fan to notice a kickers mistakes or a Quarterbacks mistakes and miss it when an OL misses a block, a WR runs the wrong route, or a RB picks the wrong hole

[Aclone]

Name a time in which CPR did that last year

Yeah, I got my videotape right here.

[Cybyassociation]

Our kickers last year were 11-16 inside 50 yards. Not great, but not bad.

The year before Mahoney was money inside 45 (was perfect) until the last game of the year when he missed two chip shots against Missouri. Fans like to bag on him but forget the horrible offense that day that scored zero points. Lenz dropped balls. Darks dropped balls. Tiller stunk.

Year before Mahoney was 8 for 10 inside 40 yards. He had one bad kicking game and that was against Baylor

Year before that Mahoney was 17-24 at kicking

So while it hasn't be great, it hasn't been as bad as a lot of fans want to make it out to be. It's just easy for the average fan to notice a kickers mistakes or a Quarterbacks mistakes and miss it when an OL misses a block, a WR runs the wrong route, or a RB picks the wrong hole

What? You take your logic and statistics and you get the hell out of here!

[fission]

Dead and Kicker may not be a good analogy for I.S.U .

I like kickers, though, but not the European thugs...

[CycloneErik]

I don't like dead kickers, no matter what temperature they are.

[fission]

I don't like dead kickers, no matter what temperature they are.

... may I pee my P.A.T now !!! LOL!!!!

[CykoAGR]

I agree that our kickers have been adequate when asked to perform reasonably. Even the best miss at 45+ and we kicked more than our share of those. I think part of the reason the average fan is so frustrated by our kickers is that as others have said the offense struggles and it feels like an uphill battle just to get inside FG range so if we miss its harder to swallow than it would be if we thought we'd get another chance next drive.

[istater7]

Depends on what you mean by "that bad". When the coach gets so discouraged about the FG kicker that he send the punter out to "pooch" in moderate field goal range (As Mac did all the time, and CPR did several times last fall), IMO, that's bad.

Field position is pretty important. Depends on what you mean by "moderate" field goal range?

[Psyclone Brian]

It is mind boggling to me that there are not better kickers in this world. What a great way to get a free education, just kick the ball through the goal posts how hard can this be.

I agree. Is it that difficult to find a soccer player or someone that does nothing but kick, who isn't anything short of accurate? I hope we find our guy soon. This is an area that should never be an issue.

[cyclones500]

ISU fans' agony about kickers tends to come down to a couple of things:
(1) Missed extra points
(2) Missed FGs with major ramification (which kind of comes with the territory of placekicking).

As for (1), it'd be nice to have a kicker who's almost automatic.

For (2), two of the most notorious misses came vs. Alabama in '01 and Missouri in '04 ... and neither of those games should have rested on the kicker's shoulders.

Independence Bowl was a textbook case of squandering a mostly dominant performance.

Missouri game was a risk of using play-not-to-lose red-zone tactics.