Tiller to ? against ? as a huge TD?

[jbindm]

I think that if CPR feels the need to run a trick play this season, it'll be a QB throwback off a toss to the RB. Jantz has the athleticism to pull it off, so the only question is which RB has the arm to get it to him.

[peteypie]

Your idea of the reverse pass would be great and I believe we will see it on the road @ TCU.

Your idea of the Wildcat is not smart. Why would we run a wildcat w/ Tiller? We have ran it w/ West and Horne IIRC...we already have a QB who can run and throw better than Tiller.

Only reason I say to run it with Tiller is because he could pass out of it as well. It's not something I would do often, but something to keep the defense on their toes. We became pretty predictable in the second half of the Iowa game.

[Wesley]

The obvious answer is James White who runs the sweeps better than the other RBs.

[farminclone]

Wildcat with Tiller is just plain dumb. Jantz is quicker, Tiller has long strides and can't get going very fast and isn't as shifty as he needs to be to run the wildcat effectively. I can promise you the wildcat with Tiller would just look terrible awkward with his lack of acceleration and shiftyness.

Let Tiller keep catching balls and being a great asset to our offense as a wide-out.

[ajk4st8]

Not exactly any surprise factor if you are having Tiller throw passes. Im pretty sure every defense will be well aware he can throw.

[tee1up]

Only reason I say to run it with Tiller is because he could pass out of it as well. It's not something I would do often, but something to keep the defense on their toes. We became pretty predictable in the second half of the Iowa game.

I say run in this week when it hopefully it doesn't really count. That will make teams prepare for it all year, and every time he is in the game they might think it is coming. Could open up some other stuff.

[RustShack]

Running last years pass plays by Lenz/Money with Tiller? Yes/

Wildcat with Tiller? Hell no.

[Doc]

Technically not true. They can disguise it as that little bubble screen except Tiller would back up a little more to receive the pass so it is not a forward pass. He would then be free to pass. You'd have to have a real speedster screaming down the field to get behind the safeties because that play would have practically no time to develop.

EDIT: Okay, I see the OP specifically said an end around. But that isn't the only way to set up another player with surprise pass.

I did think about that type of play. That play works occasionally, but the problem is that you give up a WR option by throwing it backwards to the receiver (the QB won't be able to get downfield in time to be an option), and at least one WR on that side would have to block to keep it from being a negative play.

You just really limit your options and you need to trick multiple players to have it work.

[RustShack]

I'd like to see Tiller throw a TD pass to Jantz.

[peteypie]

Running last years pass plays by Lenz/Money with Tiller? Yes/

Wildcat with Tiller? Hell no.

I guess what I was envisioning wouldn't necessarily be called a Wildcat. I did a poor job of explaining. I was envisioning Both Jantz and Tiller split in the back feild in a shotgun. Either could run, Either could pass. Myabe it's dumb and wouldn't work, but I like the idea.

[Doc]

I think that if CPR feels the need to run a trick play this season, it'll be a QB throwback off a toss to the RB. Jantz has the athleticism to pull it off, so the only question is which RB has the arm to get it to him.

Agree with this. And I'm pretty sure we'll see a flea-flicker at some point. And I'd be surprised to see Kirby finish the season with no rushing attempts.

[Doc]

I guess what I was envisioning wouldn't necessarily be called a Wildcat. I did a poor job of explaining. I was envisioning Both Jantz and Tiller split in the back feild in a shotgun. Either could run, Either could pass. Myabe it's dumb and wouldn't work, but I like the idea.

Yeah, I could see that. I'm sorry for calling your post dumb. Trickeration is hard though.

[IcSyU]

Agree with this. And I'm pretty sure we'll see a flea-flicker at some point. And I'd be surprised to see Kirby finish the season with no rushing attempts.

I won't be surprised if Kirby doesn't have any rushing attempts. Teams know it's possibly coming so they're making absolutely sure their linemen stick to their responsibilities.

[VeloClone]

I won't be surprised if Kirby doesn't have any rushing attempts. Teams know it's possibly coming so they're making absolutely sure their linemen stick to their responsibilities.

If that is the case, objective achieved. It forces teams to play the return game straight up instead of cheating toward the return before the punt is off. I'm sure at some point we will see a team cheating toward leaving the LOS early this year. The question will be whether the game situation in one of the following punts makes sense for a fake. Like someone said earlier with a Tiller pass, there is value in forcing a team to plan for and cover a known fake play. It can open other opportunities.

I am wondering if Edwin has the on-side kick execution down. A lot of Cyclone fans took for granted that Mahoney was absolutely clutch at executing these. If we don't have a kicker who can consistently lay down the kick we may not see that one this year unless there is no other option.

[NickTheGreat]

I think Tiller should line up in the back field, in the RB spot. Jantz throws to White in the bubble screen. Flea flicks back to Tiller. Tiller passes BACK to Janz, who throws the deep ball to Lenz in the end zone.

BOOM.